Continue rewarding mediocrity and it's all we'll ever get. Agar should be gone NOW, let alone in a few months time.

The whole lot can go, Sharp, Agar, Last and Crooks, get some quality in.

IAKOW is an easy one to use but again, the board rely on this to be able to settle for mediocrity. I will always support the players on the pitch as i have done all season by going along and watching. I had reservations about Agar which i thought were unfounded early doors but they soon returned and for the remainder of the year i have gone along and blindly supported the team even though they havent deserved it by and large.

Im just getting a bit fed up of everything to do with the club and the way that they approach things and IAKOW is starting to be really testing. In fact, IAKOW as an approach has actually stopped us progressing like we should and encourages settling for average/poor.

I agree it should be changed but if it isn't we need to support the coach and players we have, has to be better than bitching and moaning everyweek which gets us nowhere anyway.

Supporting a team where the players dont give a f*ck and the coach is clueless? I work hard monday to friday and then turn up there expecting to be entertained for the money ive spent. (if not entertained i want to see effort)
I go home after the game depressed/angry/annoyed and then that writes off my saturday too. I then go back to work on Monday.
Im pretty sure if i didnt go to the rugby and stayed at home i may have a takeaway and watch a dvd which would be a thoroughly better experience. My saturday and sunday wouldnt then be written off due to the deep depression.
Do you think rule/agar understands how them and our club influence our lives? It feels like all of the effort is going in one direction currently too.

You see, that is just condascending, nobody is bitching and moaning for the sake of it, people are allowed opinions and it's the reason these forums exist, it's just bloody annoying when you can sit and genuinely say "I told you so" about the appointment of both Agar and Sharp.

I know exactly what you mean, I'm enjoying the after match drink with members of my family more than the match nowadays. But we have to keep up our support, at the very least for the people involved with our club who do give f*ck, and we all know there are a quite a few!

Likewise, on both points.

Thats a fair point actually that i'd not thought about. There must be a lot of people within the club too who do actually give a f*ck. How must they be feeling currently by the people within the club letting it down and effectively meaning they are getting the stick too.

Are there though, who is left at the club with a genuine connection to the side?

Im talking more about the admin staff etc i guess more than the senior people. There are a lot of people lower down in the ranks that are B&W through and through that must feel like crap too.

We support our team through thick and thin, thats the message we send out as Hull FC fans and always have. It does not mean we cannot complain about things and have our say, even though a sit in sounds a bit pathetic it worked for Wire fans, they got shut of Cullen and ultimately got a world class coach.

No it's not.

People have whinged and moaned on here all season and where has it got us? If we want to make an impact then it need to be done in a better way than compaining on here.

We all have our say on here, most opinions agree but with diffferent degrees of severity. All I am saying is as supporters we have to endure good times and bad however it's all under our control. Recently I had the chance to see the Leeds home game and Cas away game as my life did not interfere with the games. Even though my wife went to the Hull/Leeds game at the KC I decided not to as it was on tv and I did not want to waste my money. I also decided not to bother going to Cas even though it's like a home game to me, once again because I felt like it would be a waste of money. Those are my choices and we all have the ability to make those decisions.

Or your as tight as a submarine door

Equally all of the people saying "give Agar chance" have got us nowhere.

Well it has got us a better squad for next season with some of the deadwood about to be shipped out too, that's a start.

My point is that it's not our decision to make. If we really want to get the coach out then all we can do is protest after of before games where the effect can be felt by the club, the directors and the sponsors. The last time it worked was with Wire and Cullen, although they only ended up with Lowes at the time eventually they got a top class coach.

See - I [itold[/i you that Friday night games were a bad move.

Can you really say everyone of them is putting in the effort even agar is saying alot of them are not

Some are putting the effort in, Some are putting the effort in but are not good enough (cant expect anymore than that from them surely) and the rest arent

I'm really loving how Wire have this top class coach, clearly they have a better squad than we have and have spent far more on players and it's got them ....... 9th place.

Err when did Tony Smith take over then? If Tony Smith is not a top class coach then I fail to see who is quite frankly.

You taking the mick arnt yeah ...they where one of the whipping boys and in dire straits of finishing where hull are and then tony smith has took over and they have improved ten fold since he has took over and have been playing ATTRACTIVE Rugby and are WINNING alot more games now that Smith has taken over.

In their last 8 SL games they are won 4 lost 4.... and the 4 teams they've beat.......

Hull FC
Celtic
Catalans
Salford

With the players at his disposal that record hardly makes Tony Smith top class.

And we're 2 from our last 8, making Tony Smith twice the coach Agar is.

ahh right well we won 2 of our last nine and that was against Salford who would have won if it wasnt for such a dodgy decision to get a try dissallowed and the celtic crusaders who we only beat because there couldnt rotate there bench due to three of them being injured ....but yeah if you think agar is the man hell you keep supporting the guy.

Ha Ha beat me 2 it and tony smith COULDNT BRING ANY OF HIS PLAYERS IN and didnt have a preseason to get everything sorted out, and had very little time in picking up a squad low on confidence and to put the icing on the cake he actually went to kr and actually BEAT THEM


Something Agar struggles to do