It's ridiculous isn't it.

Quite. If anyone could tell me what he could reasonably have been expected to do that he hasn't done this season, I'd be very surprised.

Each week it's looking more and more to me like he has his favourites who's places are safe no matter what happens. He also seems to have Peter Sharp's trait of being completely unable to change tactics during a game, we just stick to our dour, one man up approach even when it isn't working.

Is anyone else a little worried that our head coach apparently focusses on attack and leaves defence to his assistant, and it's our attack which is faltering badly?

Spot on..........why was Thacks dropped? Moa should have been out.

Seriously tonight was one of the worst games of Super League in a long time.

Even in the conditions, no side created anything (except the unlucky bounce for Quins) and it was just a driving forward game, even by the backs all the way through the match.

Glad I saved my money and didn't go.

What made it worse was we got shown to be pi$$ poor by a pi$$ poor Harlequins team who bored us and played the conditions better.

shocking yes, but rumours of a bust up on the coach down.

You can see that. I can see that. It appears that most on here can see that. A little worrying that a SL head coach seemingly can't, is it not?

It's all about adapting to those conditions , We played a one dimensional game throughout the whole 80 Min's without looking like changing anything.

Oh i know Steve......but they was there for the taking and having Eddie and Stevo creaming over the tatic of kicking dead on the 3rd tackle was taking the pi$$

Terrible performance so glad i never went, i couldnt believe how poor we was in attack and it was just one man rugby up until the last 5 minutes when the game was over.. Defence was poor too giving them far to much time/room and it cost us

Our kicking game was awful apart from 2 kicks.. TBH we made Harlequins look better than they actually was and if we had gone at them we would have won.

It was like watching your other team.

What??

I dont support another Rugby team HTH

You looked like the Giants at the start of last year!

We had one attacking move in our 'playbook'. You used it tonight and it was equally ineffective.

Our players had to stick to a rigid plan. Talented players had less and less freedom. Play got increasingly 'conservative'.

And ours is becoming more and more laboured

It's a concern that some of you are pinning your hopes on 2 more forwards turning up soon, sometime, maybe never. All that does is give you 2 more blokes to plod up the middle with.

And as for the chap saying Rovers don't have anything to worry him, after that display last night they probably won't need a great deal to beat you.

Be afraid.

We looked like us for the whole of last season TBH.

That's my biggest concern.

Did they play above themselves for the first few games to try and make amends for last season, before reverting to the 'real' Hull for the last two?

Or were the first five games an indication of the potential in the squad and the last two a blip?

It's difficult to say confidently either way at this stage.

Mate you must be a retard, play that sort of boring rugby against us and you'll get your iestyn handed to you.

It's looking like the 1st 5 opposition were undercooked and we where all blinded by our victories.

We played far too narrow last night, Manu worked his bollox off but to be honest he 'tried too much' to the point that the ball stopped with him and rarely got past him.
I thought he was our stand out player for all the effort he made.
I think Thorman will get a lesson at SH from a 19 year old next week, the only thing I saw from him was when he checked his run to draw 3 defenders before passing to Hall for him to pass to Yeaman for the first try, that same hesitated step nearly got Briscoe away last week.

My thoughts too,waste of money too,interesting to find out,how much he gets for 15 mins work a week

You missed Thorman's kick through for Hall's try then ? He was instrumental in both Hull's tries and has been in the majority of the tries we've scored this season. I agree this should be the case he's our half back however some of the put downs he gets on here blatantly ignore the fact that he is our most creative player in terms of try assists. Not international class by any means but still capable of creating chances both with kicks and ball in hand.

Our forwards, Manu apart, were owned by Quins' pack and particularly their defence which was yards faster out of the line. This is what happened in most games last year. We needed to play more expansive but didn't presumably due to tactics. If so Agar was totally wrong. I'd rather we'd gone down to defeat making mistakes whilst throwing the ball wide rather than ploughing down the middle. Ploughing down the middle only works if the whole team is enthusiastic chasing kicks and flying out of the blocks as a unit in defence and at marker. Quins did this better than us - we lacked enthusiasm and energy across the board - a result of poor interchange options and player's attitudes probably. Not just the forwards but the backs as well. We are failing again to push on through the ruck with any support. Berro made a number of dashes last night but as usual no support whatsoever on his shoulder. It was FC 2008 last night without the injuries.