To be honest I have no knowledge of immigration law and don't particularly want any but can someone explain to me what he difference is in this case to numerous actors and sportsmen with various convictions coming over here to ply their trade, someone mentioned Britanny Spears and there are any number of others. Didn't Mike Tyson come over for some reason not so long back.
I appreciate things have been tightened up recently and if this is the reason behind the arguement that Bird shouldn't be let in fair enough but other than the "its not fair" factor I don't see the difference.
This is a genuine query seeking a laymans answer please don't start a tirade of vitriol or a 2000 word essay on imigration law - thanks

How come Greg Birds visa application was accepted so quickly for his new club, Catalan? Michael Crocker had submitted his 2nd application before Greg Bird was even denied for Bradford, yet Crocker is still waiting his outcome. I can only assume the French are more efficient, or more lax, they're certainly more accepting!

I actually think he has made some very valid points every bit a valid as those of kosh and chris28.

Its also worth noting that using kosh's logic Crocker has no chance of getting a visa.

Not really. Different cases, different (although similar) reasons for rejection, different methods for re-application.

And I haven't said that Bird has [ino[/i chance of getting in.

Plus there is the underlying assumption, in both cases, of what the reason for rejection was. If that assumption is wrong then all bets are off.

On the basis of the tightening up, and appied fairly, Tyson and Spears would not get in now.

Fair enough as you say as long as its applied fairly

Presumably that means we have seen the last of Jonathon Ross etc. interviewing "hell raising US actor ...." but somehow I just can't see it happening that way

Do you know, I think I'm going to link to the general rules again.

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Now, based on my experience of immigration law and practice, I think Crocker was refused under paragraph 320 (1icon_cool.gif. This should be applied every time he tries to enter until the conviction is spent. I think Bird could have been refused under 320 (19) or (7A0, (7B) (11) or (15). Again each of these (except (19) if he is acquitted) could be applied if he tries to enter the UK in future.

These rules require a refusal of entry clearance or entry if they are not met, regardless of the reason for seeking entry.

Possibly, but there has to be a balance, and the hell raiser may have hell raised in the past but is now OK (e.g Mickey Rourke). But if Clooney gets sent down for affray for example, he could be effectively prevented from entering the UK, yes. Whether he would is questionable, and if let in the UKBA would fall back on the "individual circumstances" argument

French authorities are quicker?

So if Bird cant come to the UK with the Cats, i bet Jacko is worried about getting here for his 31 night stay

no, birds wishes to enter this country as as different as they could possibly be, he has gone from wishing to move here, living here, working here, being paid here to visiting here for three days to play 1 game of RL before leaving

they arent 'essentially' the same at all





yes the only difference between his two applications is why is looking to come (a visit as opposed to living here) the length of time (a few days as opposed to two years) and where he is applying from (france rather than australia), but yeah they are essentially the same



ill explain it to you again, because for some reason, you tell us you are intelligent, yet seemed to miss a very obvious point

when his application is assessed, he wasnt immediately rejected purely on the basis he has outstanding charges, even if that was the only reason he was rejected

his application was looked at, as a whole, somethings went in his favour, others went against him, these things were weighed up, and in this instance the judgement came down on rejection

now, what you are doing, and i have no idea why, is looking at the major things we know will have counted against him, seen they havent changed and decided that he then cannot come into the country, and you have completely ignored that pretty much everything else around his application has changed,

whats even stranger is you then take on a patronising tone to explain how because these things that counted against havent changed it is crazy to think he will get in, and les catalans have made some huge cockup and that this should be obvious to everyone, but you then go on to admit you are making this up as you have no idea why he was refused in the first place or what the decision is going to be anyway

If he is, he's not the only one.

Personally, IMO, I would be astounded if he did not play in the UK.
It's a no brainer for me IMO, completely different circumstances to the original Bradford application.

Like everyone, we're speculating as we don't know the reasons for the original refusal. If Bird was refused for not having a work permit for example, he'll get in fine, as Smokey has been saying. If he was refused under the general rules, then unless there has been a change in his circumstances, he will have a tough job getting in.

The circumstances of his "application to enter the UK" may be different in purpose, but he still has to qualify under all the relevant immigration rules.

I thought all sportsmen/women entering the UK had to apply for a sporting visa rather than a working visa ? .

I hope he is refused, just don't think that he will be
Does anyone know out of interest, what requirements or forms if any, a sporting team (players) requires to enter the UK for a short time to play sport?
Just wondering.

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Reading this though, it seems likely that he would be allowed to visit as a sporting person, to me, unless I am missing something (which is very likely!)

No, you're right, which is what Catalans are hoping for. But [url=http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/policyandlaw/immigrationlaw/immigrationrules/part9/these[/url also have to be considered, which is where I think he'll fall down (based on my guess at why he was refused before).

Indeed, it's "interesting" to say the least.

dont you someone that works on border patrol

make deal

English queens speak can you?

let bird man fly in sl

This is one is pretty much done now and it does not really concern us so we may aswell stcik to the Crcoker thread.

And i locked it