No I think you are quite correct that he isnt as fast as he once was however he has not lost that much and his kick chase is still exemplary , and as shown in the quins game his will to work hard for the team is undoubtedly in the top three in the team!!
He has a few years left!!

I have read enough on here to suggest that I dont see in him what alot of you guys supposedly do and I thought he was just as bad at Wigan.

We see him play far more than you do.

Maybe so but I see all your games on sky, all the highlights and 2 games a year. Its a fair few and enough to form an opinion.

Which of course you are entitled to.

No-one is claiming that Calderwood is anywhere near his try scoring form of 2005. His move to Wigan was a poor one in retrospect.

He suffered with a lack of service last season but his effort and enthusiasm stood out amongst his team-mates. That is why he is held in high regard by Hull fans. Hopefully Longy when he is back on the pitch can get him amongst the tries.

dont agree with that...im under the impression that stats dont lie......

83% of people would agree

i rest my case

They don't lie, as such, they just provide a very narrow, compartmentalised summary of difficult to define inconsistencies, as far as rugby league goes. i.e. they aren't much use in this context.

Stats tell an accurate, but they are limited to what they can show......UGH, I come on here to ESCAPE from my dissertation!

i'd happliy give him a 2 year extention.

Sounds painful

Age is the only reason I can think of, but if he's still performing offer him a one year extension?

He's only 28, isn't he?

Looks to have pace in abundance. Had a good game both in defence and attack.

he was bloody awful last night thats for sure, worst I have seen him.. did he make one run from acting half all night??

Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"That was my point, I bet 100% of you guys on here believe that but he is a better player than Calderwood. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Just for the Mrs B's of you out there lol'" Stats are only useful if the person reading them knows what they really mean. Stats without context also tell you very little. Example: metres made... easy to make metres if you're in a good team that can find space for you to run in. Tackles made... if you're in a team that's constantly defending, you'll make more tackles.

Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"That was my point, I bet 100% of you guys on here believe that but he is a better player than Calderwood. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Just for the Mrs B's of you out there lol'" Stats are only useful if the person reading them knows what they really mean. Stats without context also tell you very little. Example: metres made... easy to make metres if you're in a good team that can find space for you to run in. Tackles made... if you're in a team that's constantly defending, you'll make more tackles.

What about simple things like carries, his work rate is made out to be good, his carries dont suggest that.

Think Berro will have made more tackles last night than he had done in the previous games combined. Wigan did really well getting at him and tired him out. I think we need to do more to protect Berro in defence like Brisbane did by having him defending as a centre.

When you have less possession, you make less carries. He's not made that many carries less than the player you're comparing him to.

Big difference between them in the number of total carries!

You read about his enthusiasm aswell, I think that may have been slightly over exaggerated due to the lack of passion from alot of the squad over the previous 2 seasons.

He has been enthuaisastic at Leeds and Wigan and was just carrying that on

I mentioned previously that these stats are loved and hated by some but those stats tell me he might have looked enthusiastic but did little to back it up.

Backs it up when i see him play

Is there?

2008
Calderwood - 13 appearances, 110 carries (about 8.5 per game)
Colborn - 26 appearances, 285 carries (about 11 per game)

So the difference at Wigan is slight. And if you look at any other stat that year, you need to bare in mind that he made half the number of appearances. Calderwood did nearly double the amount of dummy half runs in half the number of games, which suggests they used him in a much different way to Colborn.

2009
Calderwood - 19 appearances, 152 carries (8 per game)
Colborn - 24 appearances, 350 carries (about 14.5 per game)

Last year Hull were gash and barely touched the ball, and when we did it was straight down the middle stuff. Rovers were a good side and very expansive, so the wingers got more touches.
Again, look at the dummy half runs from Calderwood compared to Colborn. More than double, and in less games. More marker tackles (Hull had to tackle more). More tackles made (again, had to do more). Less missed tackles.

The number of carries says only so much about what someone is doing in a game. You need to look at the context.