Especially around the left corner.

I must admit i was shouting for your lot today,i remember the semi-final in 2005 at Huddersfield and at the end of the game me and quite a few other Saints fans clapped the Hull fans after the game,great day shame about the result.

Not too sure really. We're very well set in the back row, but Dowes/Cusack/Radders are 3 of our 4 props and our scrum half is 34 and barely plays with no back-up and our back line is relatively weak.

Thats the big point for me as under Agar there have been far too many games where we have gone the 2nd half without scoring as sides are reading what we are going to do and we lack the flair players barring Tansey who can play what he see's instead of reverting back to the famous 'Horne Drop Off'.

Hey , Spin hour will be cancelled next week so Rule doesn't have to answer those "awkward" questions.

2005... seems such a long time ago

Everything is 2008/9.

The time has come for change. the fans deserve far better than this disgraceful performance and baffling team selection. Although Agar may be on far less than many other superleague coaches if this continues it will lead to long term financial troubles for the club and be counterproductive. Today's and last years exit at the the 1st round is costly and support will gradually diminish.

The games not played on paper. What worries me is that when it comes to the crunch we do not have the calibre of player to beat teams like leeds and win major honours. Must admit though, the signing of ogre, fitz and turner look quality - just wish me had more players of that ilk (OK, i know turner is still up and coming, but I have seen enough in his performance today that he could to be one of the outstanding players for the future).

Dowes/Cusack/Radders - All have proven to be excellent props, consistant work horses. Problem is, Agar plays them all at the same time! Moa sat in the stand would have relished coming off the bench and maybe he'd have given Lauaki some much needed support. Instead we see Dowes and Cusack introduced as 'impacat props', my god! I farted just before half time and made more of an impact then the pair of them put together (and that's without following through).

As for the backs, do we have any set moves?

With Luakai making a debut as the Waterboy

TBH I think that Dale Winton, Graham Norton AND Louis Walsh could all fart with more impact than Dowes and Cusack. (even without their buttplugs in )

I've heard a lot of whining today about Moa not playing. With all due respect to these people had Moa played it would not have changed a thing. Not a thing.

Absolutely,we were outclassed,end of.

You're right, that was the least of our problems. Agar could field the full Aussie squad and make them play like 5 year olds, clueless!

Of course it wouldn't have single handedly changed the result but it would have been one of a number a things that would have given us a much better chance.

1) Moa in. Dowes out

2) Turner or Tansey in at HB. Washbrook not good enough and out

3) Some kind of game plan that doesn't include the opposition running out of steam

More important than all of the above, not having a total fookwit clown in charge of a big big club.

What does Agar have in that A4 folder of his? Always on his lap either open or closed. Intrigued.

Have to disagree with that - it is an important problem. If the coach doesn't pick players on form then that doesn't encourage players to improve their performance to stay in the team. And that means the team performance suffers. I'm sure we wouldn't have won with Moa playing, but his previous performance merited selection over another of the props selected today. It would also have helped the balance of the team IMO.

Compromising pictures of various members of the board if he recent contract extension is anything to go by.

It was a genuine question with a touch of tongue in cheek but I get the angst.

Agree with, put it in a nutshell

I can think of one person clearing off that would really improve the balance of the team.

Dot to Dot book i think

I agree with all of you points, but as to what influence it would have had on the result is negligible. Its all academic now though, isnt it?

So do we ignore it and let Agar make mistake after mistake after mistake?