Think their wingers will still be To'o & May tbh.

Joey Manu is just a freak athlete, the way he plays wouldn't be sustainable week in week out at fullback though. NZ are gonna have to improve massively to get anywhere near Australia.

World Cup Final tickets booked! Bit pricey mind you, as they are saying there are Zero Category E tickets, I can't get 1 Adult and 1 Child in Category D, so had to go for category C

Unfortunately it's hard to tell if they have genuinely sold out all the price band or if they are playing games and limiting the tickets so that people buy higher band tickets or tickets facing the cameras etc. There have been a lot of strange goings on during this tournament.

Do think both the Semis and Final will be cracking games though, know times are hard but well worth going to these games if you can.

Limited number of BandE seats for the Final now in sale due to sponsor returns

Liiiiiigggiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

What a try from Sao

New hooker

Can't see England turning this around. Its like watching FC.... just not at the races.

Luai and Sua'ali'i have been superb (so far)

The Penrith boys ha e done a Penrith on us

It’s gone. First real challenge and we’ve just sunk. Like watching Hull.

Doubtful but we could have a World Cup winner representing us for the start of the new season.

Over the 80, Samoa the better side, but England really let that one go with some terrible errors, real lack of brains. Intercept, Youngs dropped catch, Whitehead offload and then two big errors in golden point.

I'll definitely be cheering Samoa on next week at Old Trafford.

It was just errors galore. Every time we got back into the game they contrived to go behind again.

Too many average players, I know we had a few injuries and depth is poor compared to Aus, but if Micky Mac is our best hooker then we will never beat them.

Two outstanding semi's though, thought Sao played really well, full game in the backrow, definitely an option for us next year.

Two cracking semi's after qualifying group non-events.
Sao has been steady but had his best game of the tournament today.
Welsby is never a 6.

Good game. Both teams got stuck in. Best team won. For me still to many old timers in the team. Tompkins Mac the 2 who stand out as passed it. Put welsby FB and Sneyd in the halfs we might have won today. Tight games and Sneyd kicking would have been useful. Best team won though

Sao had a great game today really hope we use him in the second row next year he looked a natural. He was a makeshift at first but he's grown into the role and his try today in such company was first class. I imagine he could never have dreamed at the start of the season that he would be playing in a World Cup final in November. So pleased for him and well done to him!!!!

I know you rate Sneyd, but he really wouldn't have made a difference today.
It's easy to blame Welsby, he had an awful game but he was always more likely to make a game breaking play than Sneyd would have. IMHO

We lost today because we didn't execute the game plan and too many senior pro's didn't turn up at key points in the game. You just can't bomb so many chances and expect to win.

Right edge was horrible, Bateman and Watkins needed to look after Welsby and Young, completely left them out to dry.

Wane really made an error with McIlorum, you surely can't have an International hooker where 80% of their distribution is too high, behind the player or almost on the floor.

I’m a big Sneyd fan but he
Wasn’t the answer . Samoa or Australia
would have run over the top of him.
Biggest factor for me was attitude.
Just a few week ago they’d hammered Samoa , they fell into a trap of thinking we can do this again without putting the effort in.
Massive disappointment.
Got to say Ryan Hall in place of Dom young might have tightened up our edge.
Watkins looked like he was carrying an injury too.

Maybe Sneyd not the answer. But welsby FB Sneyd in the halfs makes a better balanced team. Plus we all know Sneyd can raise his game on the big stage. Anyway we will never know. So defo be shouting for Samoa.

Picking over the bones of that game
today.
We were simply not good enough and Australia based on the semi final would have beaten us convincingly.
They remain at another level to our game

Thought team selection and tactically Wane got it wrong. Welsby was very poor and looked totally out of place.
Really disappointing performance, but hats off to Samoa they did just about everything right.

Massive error not carrying a 2nd hooker, a quick hooker would have had a field day last 20 minutes, should have been Leeming and Acker, Micky M no better than Houghton.

Have to start playing Welsby at FB, Sneyd isn't good enough and wouldn't have made a difference, Harry Smith would have been at 7 with Williams at 6.

So the poor standard of depth when Watkins in our 3rd best centre.

Don't think Bateman is good enough either, surprised am NRL club are about to sign him.

Definitely some positives, but I'd be looking at a new coach, one who can put his club bias to one side.

well some players matched the big fish, little pond scenario yesterday, treat like god like players by fans of their clubs in SL yet went missing when coming up against much better calibre of player

our NRL based players were the standouts imo, (even with the intercept thrown by Radley and dropped ball by Young), shows how far we are still behind the Southern Hemisphere game