We were terrible. Absolutely. But none of that alters the fact Warrington have a better squad and fewer injuries. We're a lower mid table squad and they're a Top 2 squad. That's the 2019 reality. Add in missing players and we're bottom 4 standard.

100%. Pack absolutely steamrollered.

When I see names like Thompson, mini and miloudi in our starting line up I start worrying, they just arnt good enough or arnt good enough any more.

I think we need somebody who specialises in recruitment and handles decisions on player renewals somebody who’s not going to be sentimental and is quite ruthless as we’re getting it very wrong since motu s departure

They also have a good Aussie coach who has completely changed the squad,with some top signings,added size with pace and defence into the team.

Shocking. We need a leader for a captain not a workhorse who literally has his head down all game. Sneyd having an absolute stinker of a season so far.

There are two ways to look at this. Either we have a squad that is capable of winning things but that just aren't performing anywhere near their potential. Or, we have gone from having arguably the best squad in SL to one that is bottom 4 standard in the space of two years. I am somewhere in the middle. I think we are good enough on paper to be making the top 5, but probably need a couple of good additions to be genuine contenders.

Whichever side of the argument you are on, Radford has to take the blame. Either he can't get a performance out of a good side, or he has allowed a side that came very close to a treble to be completely dismantled.

That was a kick in the stones.

Miloudi should be released in the morning, You can't play this game and be bottleless he's no use to us.

Gareth Ellis has played 5 games this season, we've won 4 of those 5, he needs to play for us, because at the moment.nobody want's to step up and be a leader

Sneyd absolute Tom tit tonight.

Missing Shaul's communication and organisation from the back was telling.

We don't seem to be able to perform at the KC this year.

I'll call it a terrible night at the office, but I'll judge them by their reaction to it next week.

But you've every right to feel gloomy tonight.

On the positives. We got quality like Shaul. Connor and Ellis to come back in, not to mention Tuli, Bowden and Green

Apart from stepping away from the bomb in the 2nd half, what did Miloudi bottle? Always wanted the ball, made yards etc.

Shaul and Connor offer something but no way are Bowden and Green going to make a difference. They are steady Eddie, average SL props. We've only got one quality prop at the club.

Tonight was shameful and that's the third time we've shipped 60+ points in seventeen games.

Don't disagree at all that our squad quality has been diluted whilst Wire and Saints have stepped on. I do think factors in play are that we have less to spend and that we chose to invest a proportion of our budget on the reserves which those teams didn't. Sacking Watts and not replacing him is a good totem for our recruitment of the last couple of years.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, if he's gonna back out of catching a ball, what use is he to us?

awful tonight, right across the board, am scratching my head wondering where we go from here, last 2 home matches have been dire, am off to bed,

Did it once. I have seen Jamie Shaul do the same loads of times. Miloudi is one of the few players who had a dig tonight. Maybe he isn't quite good enough at this level, but I can't fault his commitment or effort tonight. I can't say that about many others.

Do you seriously believe in all this spin you spew?
The factors in play you state are all down to mismanagement and surely the buck must stop with the coach.
Marquee signing aside Wires attacking and support play was light years ahead of ours and their defence was solid. I actually enjoyed watching them play but ultimately it comes down to coaching.
Think LR has reached his ceiling.
For all that Tony Smith and Brian Mcdermott won at their respective clubs sentiment played no part in their dismissals.
A change is needed.
Tonight's performance was very reminiscent of Gentle's last game in charge couple that with last season and enough should be enough.

We might not quite have the financial clout of Warrington but we are hardly paupers in RL terms. We spend enough to have the squad we want. We have just made poor decisions.

Miloudi seems (more often then not) to only get to play in a team beaten even before the kick off.

Why did LR blame Miloudi ?
He may as well blamed Thompson and the inept forwards

Truth is you Do Not blame the players

When you point one finger there’s always 3 pointing back at yourself

Be a Man Lee - take responsibility and say it’s “me and the coaching team”

I don't disagree that he was the only one, but every chance he's had, he's serving up the same drivel.

From the back, he see's all, and has got to be communicating and organising from there, yet it was a shambles, and to top it off he pulls out of catching the ball. I can't see where his future lies with us.

It's pointless singling out anybody. It was just pathetic across the board. No energy, no enthusiasm, no commitment.

Wire fan in peace here! Do any of you think minichello is ready for retirement? Absolute quality player in his day, but he looks finished to me.

Miloudi does not serve up the same drivel and was actually one of our better performers tonight at least he tried.
At the reserves game last Saturday Miloudi ran the show and was constantly talking and organising.
He seems to be some fans and Coaches scape goat.

His communication from the back was actually ok, numbers were correct in the line, it was inside defenders switching off, players like Thompson having no lateral movement. It was waiting as a defensive line for Warrington to attack us it was grabbing shirts.

Why people are talking about the difference in money spent is beyond me. Tonight wasn't about cash, tonight was about desire, passion, commitment, character, pride and those traits should come for free

I agree, and if he hadn't invested heavily into one of our sponsors, then he wouldn't even be here this year

Last year was already one year too many for him. To give him another year was one of the worst bits of recruitment/retention that I have seen.

He has been an error and missed tackle machine since the start, but you could cope with that because he was such a strong ball carrier. Now he just offers nothing. In fact he borders on being a liability these days.

Warrington are a top notch side, higher quality all round. It's one factor in a defeat of that magnitude as are the other factors you cite. Thompson is a back up second row playing starting centre against a top drawer three quarter line. He can be as passionate as he likes but has neither the skill nor pace to adequately fulfil the role he was asked to. Unfortunately.