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| Basing judgement completely on the evidence in the HDM article then I would have said to sack him (bringing club into disrepute).
However, it's a bit naive to make that sort of call based upon one news article as I probably don't have the full story. That said, he's been convicted by a UK court of law so I would tend to believe that the HDM have things right in this case.
The other option would be for the club to come out and say "We know that he's done wrong, but we're going to work hard with him to get him back on track", but this may be unpleasant for some as he is a role model to kids around the area as well as being a rugby player.
For the challenge cup final, if fit, I would put Horne on the wing and Shaul at fullback.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Actually, not just RL players - things in general look bigger when they're closer. It was covered in an episode of Father Ted once.'"
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"It's a shame this sorry episode ever happened, but given I'm not privy to any of the real facts, I can't pass judgement on it.
AP is no fool, he wouldn't say he's been dealt with harshly if he didn't believe it. If the club are willing to stand by him and give him another chance, shouldn't we?
Rovers fans shouldn't forget that they supported Ben Cockayne years after he repeatedly kicked and stood on a man laying prone on the floor.'"
Indeed, and we read and heard condemnation from your fans for the last 4 years. At least the club did punish Cockayne via suspension, rather than pat him on the head and tell him he was hard done to.
Can you imagine the reaction on here if Hudge had said what Pearson did? Double standards of the highest order.
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| Quote ="SirStan"Indeed, and we read and heard condemnation from your fans for the last 4 years. At least the club did punish Cockayne via suspension, rather than pat him on the head and tell him he was hard done to.
Can you imagine the reaction on here if Hudge had said what Pearson did? Double standards of the highest order.'"
I agree with you. I dont care about any d1ckswinging between fans of our clubs. I couldnt care what Rovers did or didnt do with Cockayne I would still be very disappointed with our Clubs reaction and Pearsons comments to this incident.
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| Quote ="SirStan"Indeed, and we read and heard condemnation from your fans for the last 4 years. At least the club did punish Cockayne via suspension, rather than pat him on the head and tell him he was hard done to.
Can you imagine the reaction on here if Hudge had said what Pearson did? Double standards of the highest order.'"
Imagine if the crime was the same though!
He never got much grief for the other misdemeanours as far as I an remember, only the incident that he could quite easily have killed a bloke. Yeah I think that was it.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Actually, not just RL players - things in general look bigger when they're closer. It was covered in an episode of Father Ted once.'"
Yup, that's why the players look like Borrowers to away fans at your place.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Yup, that's why the players look like Borrowers to away fans at your place.
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| Quote ="SirStan"Indeed, and we read and heard condemnation from your fans for the last 4 years. At least the club did punish Cockayne via suspension, rather than pat him on the head and tell him he was hard done to.
Can you imagine the reaction on here if Hudge had said what Pearson did? Double standards of the highest order.'"
You invited Cockayne back for the end of season lap of honour so you could all applaud him like some hero
Now you want to re-sign him
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| Quote ="SirStan"Indeed, and we read and heard condemnation from your fans for the last 4 years. At least the club did punish Cockayne via suspension, rather than pat him on the head and tell him he was hard done to.
Can you imagine the reaction on here if Hudge had said what Pearson did? Double standards of the highest order.'"
The timing of the hearing combined with Lineham's injury possibly ruling him out of the CC final is [ivery[/i unfortunate.
I'm not in anyway condoning what he (or Cockayne before him) did, but for me non-custodial sentence, first offence - you try to give people a second chance, while making it clear they're on very thin ice. If they left you down again, you [ishould[/i then cut them adrift or it reflects badly.
The politic (and given Crookes wasn't playing, in this case fairly painless, if Lineham hadn't got injured) thing to do is to suspend the player for a spell. You're standing by your player, but also sending out a message that this sort of thing isn't acceptable. I've no reason to suspect that AP's quoted opinion is anything other than entirely genuine. But Lineham's injury will also make it [ilook[/i convenient.
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| Quote ="davey37"Now you want to re-sign him
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I don't and I know Stan doesn't. If we do it will be as you indicate IMO
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| Quote ="Dudley"Could the RFL impose a Standard of acceptable behaviour, for anyone wanting to be registered to play in their completion, in a similar way they supposedly demand certain standards of facilities and finance from the clubs wanted to enter their competitions?'"
Possibly. Restraint of trade is common law rather than specific legislation so it's open to interpretation depending on circumstances. In theory any sporting body is entitled to place whatever restrictions it likes on membership of it's sport and/or competitions as long as they don't conflict directly with primary legislation, and they also get treated slightly differently to normal businesses.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Imagine if the crime was the same though!
He never got much grief for the other misdemeanours as far as I an remember, only the incident that he could quite easily have killed a bloke. Yeah I think that was it.'"
You really are clutching at straws by saying punching a woman in the face is better than kicking a bloke on the floor, both pretty despicable whichever way you look at it.
I also think you'll find the majority of HKR fans don't want BC back contrary to popular belief.
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| Quote ="barham red"You really are clutching at straws by saying punching a woman in the face is better than kicking a bloke on the floor, both pretty despicable whichever way you look at it.
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I'm really not clutching at straws, neither am I condoning in any way what Crookes did. But you're an idiot if you think repeatedly kicking and punching a man while he lay prone on the floor is 'as despicable' as punching a woman.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"I'm really not clutching at straws, neither am I condoning in any way what Crookes did. But you're an idiot if you think repeatedly kicking and punching a man while he lay prone on the floor is 'as despicable' as punching a woman.'"
I do actually and you've just said punching a woman in the face is better than kicking a prone man, to even think of comparing two bads is nonsensical
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| [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/article-2392822/Jason-Crookes-attacked-women-photobombing-picture.htmlI should imagine Ben Crooks is delighted to feature in this article[/url
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| The club have limited options as he was in his own time when it happened. As a representative of the club though I hope he feels thoroughly ashamed of himself. He has done himself and the club no favours here at all.
We could make the "all make mistakes" argument, especially as he is young and had a few beers in him no doubt, but hitting a woman unfortunately shows a character flaw which I'm not entirely sure we want associated with the club. Hopefully the club will behind doors give him a thoroughly verbal kicking and let him know his career with us is on line if anything similar happens again.
I have to say, I'm surprised by Adam Pearson's response. Nothing wrong with standing by your employee, especially if you do feel there are two sides to the story here (which there may well be). But he certainly hasn't being treated harshly given there is little doubt that he assaulted women.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"[url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyleague/article-2392822/Jason-Crookes-attacked-women-photobombing-picture.htmlI should imagine Ben Crooks is delighted to feature in this article[/url
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OMG. As I said earlier don't let Mike Smith see that article
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| The thing is the club takes a stance and sacks him some other club will just sign him up and give some crap about giving him, a second chance we gave cockayne enough chances he just did it one too many times
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"The thing is the club takes a stance and sacks him some other club will just sign him up and give some crap about giving him, a second chance we gave cockayne enough chances he just did it one too many times'"
We likely couldn't sack him anyway. He would have a case for a contractual breach. It didn't happen while he was doing his job.
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| Quote ="barham red"Where would the RFL draw the line if they did step in?
Assualt
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What is the NRL precedent'" 3 or 4 years ago Greg Bird and Todd Carney, can't remember the punishment.
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| Quote ="owd bird"3 or 4 years ago Greg Bird and Todd Carney, can't remember the punishment.'"
Was that the RFL or was it the UKBA?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Really? I'd have thought they'd be a few.'"
I would have thought it comes under gross misconduct / bringing the club into disripute.
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| Playing devils advocate a bit...don't people deserve a second chance after a first offence? The whole story seems a little strange in the paper and AP's comments dont seem to make much sense given a fairly lenient sentence for assault.
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| Quote ="Diogenes"Was that the RFL or was it the UKBA?'" I think it was both NRL AND UKBA in the case of the one who went to Catalans, possibly Bird. The other one was dealt with by the NRL. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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| The Ben Crooks picture about sums up the national press and RL, really unbelievable that no one picked up the pictures were of totally different people.
On the JC one, he seems to have been lucky not to cop a charge on attempting to pervert the course of justice if he'd (or Lee Radford had) been trying to contact a witness.
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