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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Can any Hull FC fan on here say that they would be up in arms over this if at your club you had 5 quota players, and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports and like rovers, everything is within the understanding of the RFL?
Would you be protesting the case then? Serious question, not an enticing one.'"
I was embarrassed when we got Berrigan off the quota and I'm glad we don't have to suffer the ignominy of fielding him now he's returned to Oz.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Can any Hull FC fan on here say that they would be up in arms over this if at your club you had 5 quota players, and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports and like rovers, everything is within the understanding of the RFL?
Would you be protesting the case then? Serious question, not an enticing one.'"
We've got five overseas players and three may not count on the quota.
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| Quote ="downtheante"I was embarrassed when we got Berrigan off the quota and I'm glad we don't have to suffer the ignominy of fielding him now he's returned to Oz.'"
Tbh that was so berro (and willie) could be a resident here so I have no problem with that.
It's if we replace their spots with other quota players.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Can any Hull FC fan on here say that they would be up in arms over this if at your club you had 5 quota players, and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports and like rovers, everything is within the understanding of the RFL?
Would you be protesting the case then? Serious question, not an enticing one.'"
7 upward is a complete micky take. We had 6 last season which was borderline IMO. I think 10 is nothing short of farcical and quite frankly embarassing and should rightly taint any victories that go your way.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Can any Hull FC fan on here say that they would be up in arms over this if at your club you had 5 quota players, and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports and like rovers, everything is within the understanding of the RFL?
Would you be protesting the case then? Serious question, not an enticing one.'"
Can any Hull KR fan on here say that they wouldn't be up in arms over this if at our club we had 5 quota players and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports??
Oh and P.S. It's 8 overseas players as i count them with 'special dispensation' and overseas, plus another one to come!!
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Can any Hull FC fan on here say that they would be up in arms over this if at your club you had 5 quota players, and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports and like rovers, everything is within the understanding of the RFL?
Would you be protesting the case then? Serious question, not an enticing one.'"
If it went against the spirit of a previous agreement amongst participating clubs then I would not be happy if we did it. After all it's not really the understanding of the RFL that counts if the other 11 members of the agreement don't understand it.
Such an agreement is entirely reliant on none of the participants welching on the gentlemans' agreement isn't it ? When it also runs roughshod over investment decisions made by other parties, such as spending money on youth development, it is even more disingenuous.
[uIF[/u a previous agreement has been rail roaded then it's not something to be celebrated IMO.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"If it went against the spirit of a previous agreement amongst participating clubs then I would not be happy if we did it. After all it's not really the understanding of the RFL that counts if the other 11 members of the agreement don't understand it.
Such an agreement is entirely reliant on none of the participants welching on the gentlemans' agreement isn't it ? [uWhen it also runs roughshod over investment decisions made by other parties, such as spending money on youth development, it is even more disingenuous. [/u
[uIF[/u a previous agreement has been rail roaded then it's not something to be celebrated IMO.'"
And paying fees to secure young British players.
An amusing aside in the RL Express this week.
Hudgell admits that the uncertainty over Mason's eventual arrival has given the Robins some problems.
"It has impacted on season ticket and merchandise sales" =#0040FFReally, how so? Rovers official website has sales up on last year.
"[uA lot of people were very aware of the non-appearance of Michael Crocker for Hull a couple of years ago. [/uBut when Willie does arrive we expect sales to pick up very quickly"
The underlined bit is entirely irrelevant to the other points, but just a dig. No mention of Eastwood, Carney and Bird who were impacted in the same way. What a tool. ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"And paying fees to secure young British players.
An amusing aside in the RL Express this week.
Hudgell admits that the uncertainty over Mason's eventual arrival has given the Robins some problems.
"It has impacted on season ticket and merchandise sales" =#0040FFReally, how so? Rovers official website has sales up on last year.
"[uA lot of people were very aware of the non-appearance of Michael Crocker for Hull a couple of years ago. [/uBut when Willie does arrive we expect sales to pick up very quickly"
The underlined bit is entirely irrelevant to the other points, but just a dig. No mention of Eastwood, Carney and Bird who were impacted in the same way. What a tool.
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Indeed says it all really.
In any case I'm sure we beat our own record sales that year regardless of that setback ![CRAZY d040.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//d040.gif)
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"Surely it should just go on where you are born, end of story, agree on a number of non UK born players alowed in a squad and stick to it, simple.'" You can't do that due to european law unfortunatly.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"[iDoes anyone else think this whole overseas players question is an absolute farce?[/i
Quota, non quota, fed trained, not fed trained...
The whole thing is a joke and the rest of the sporting world must be look at RL and its constent tinkering of the rules as a laughing stock.
Surely it should just go on where you are born, end of story, agree on a number of non UK born players alowed in a squad and stick to it, simple.'"
Yes. This could knock our International game back years but this coming from the RFL , It's not that surprising
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"The thing is, you can't limit a team to players 'just because they are foreign' and as we are part of the EU you cannot deny ANY EU person entry/work.
Can you however do one of the next 2 things:
1. Effectively charge per non-UK player. ie: You can have as many Aussies, NZs or Tongans as you like but it costs 25/50k per 'quota' player from the salary cap thus limiting your financial capabilities.'" This is a great idea my only worry is that it could be classed as still causing a restriction on free trade through the back door.
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| Not if all the sl clubs agree to the rules.
And every body sticks to it.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Not if all the sl clubs agree to the rules.
And every body sticks to it.'" Indeed and you wont find me argueing against you over that.
BUT lets be honest here although it is rather embarrasing and cringeworthy (My head was in my hands when i saw Huge and the RFL confirm it) can you honestly say no-one else would have tried it?
With a little luck the exchange rate will save the RFL the headache anyway in the short term.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Indeed and you wont find me argueing against you over that.
BUT lets be honest here although it is rather embarrasing and cringeworthy (My head was in my hands when i saw Huge and the RFL confirm it) can you honestly say no-one else would have tried it?
With a little luck the exchange rate will save the RFL the headache anyway in the short term.'"
Didn't Millward try to put this idea to the RFL a couple of years ago while he was at Saints ?.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"You can't do that due to european law unfortunatly.'"
If it is agreed upon and signed by all clubs then there is no problem.
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| Quote ="hullbg"If it is agreed upon and signed by all clubs then there is no problem.'"
Therein lies the problem; hasn't one agreement already been flagrantly breached?
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| Dont think an unfair trade law breach would be signed by anyone but if all the clubs agreed and had an understanding to abide by it then fair enough.
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| Quote ="hullbg"If it is agreed upon and signed by all clubs then there is no problem.'" All clubs may sign it but it doesn't need to be a club that challenges it and that is the problem as it is unworkable in any european court.
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| Quote ="B0NES"Yes. This could knock our International game back years but this coming from the RFL , It's not that surprising'"
I think that began long before Rovers even sniffed Super League.
Brian Carney said it a few years ago, I remember England walking around a pitch, can't remember the game, on the back of a thumping by Aussie. Eddie and Stevo was giving it the "we're building" bull-crap, and Carney shot them down saying the side is no better than the Great Britain side he played in back in 2003, if anything we are going backwards. His words, not mine. I do agree with him though.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"I think that began long before Rovers even sniffed Super League.
Brian Carney said it a few years ago, I remember England walking around a pitch, can't remember the game, on the back of a thumping by Aussie. Eddie and Stevo was giving it the "we're building" bull-crap, and Carney shot them down saying the side is no better than the Great Britain side he played in back in 2003, if anything we are going backwards. His words, not mine. I do agree with him though.'"
And if all teams fielded only 6 British players as Rovers intend to do, would that help, in your opinion?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"And if all teams fielded only 6 British players as Rovers intend to do, would that help, in your opinion?'"
That's been stupid isn't it.
Why would Leeds for example bring in an aussie to replace Burrows, or Saints an Aussie to replace Pryce.
We have brought in overseas players to strengthen the side.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"That's been stupid isn't it.
Why would Leeds for example bring in an aussie to replace Burrows, or Saints an Aussie to replace Pryce.
We have brought in overseas players to strengthen the side.'"
What is stupid is not understanding the question before answering.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Yawwwwwwwn. Broken record, Wigan have 8 overseas players, yet they are only allowed 5 too. Go figure....'"
yer and 3 of them turn u down
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| Quote ="Roverswall"All clubs may sign it but it doesn't need to be a club that challenges it and that is the problem as it is unworkable in any european court.'"
I dont know European law but surely if all parties competing agree to the rules set out there is nothing anyone can do to change that??? Or even add a rule that states that for every non British/French player over a set number incurs a mandatory 10 point deduction.
The law is an ass at times, and when we are trying to improve the quality of British/French players we find our hands tied by the bureaucrats it shows how daft it can be.
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