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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Who was it?'"
Liam Watts...said he will have to drop/rest him, I do not think he should have said it on Sky, maybe he should have to told the player first?
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I thought his after match interview on sky was harsh on the young ones, he declared on national tv one would be dropped/rested
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It's not the best way to go about things is it.
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| Quote ="major black"Too all the Agar out brigade If we come away from the Derby with 7W-2L would you class that as acceptable form to keep his job.'"
Yes.
Although our Cup game performance needs to be huge, and comes on the back of the derby, Wire, Leeds in close succession. CC is our only chance of silverware IMO and we should put plenty of eggs in this basket. Up to the coach to select, rotate and gameplan appropriately to give us our best shot at it.
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| Quote ="B0NES"It's not the best way to go about things is it.'"
No, especially with young developing players, with inexperience it should be expected they will have the odd mare, and to be honest a few of the senior players like Briscoe had mare's however they were not singled out and publicly dropped. As good as Morgan is he is still a gobs*te when he is stood in front of a camera.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"No, especially with young developing players, with inexperience it should be expected they will have the odd mare, and to be honest a few of the senior players like Briscoe had mare's however they were not singled out and publicly dropped. As good as Morgan is he is still a gobs*te when he is stood in front of a camera.'"
I didn't see it, I take it he used the word dropped in relation to Liam Watts?
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"I didn't see it, I take it he used the word dropped in relation to Liam Watts?'"
He said he needs to rest him, which as the kid is not injured means dropped.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"He said he needs to rest him, which as the kid is not injured means dropped.'"
Not really, Wheeldon was rested against Saints, Netherton last night so it's Liams turn this week. Looks like he will make it a consistant rotation of these 3
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Not really, Wheeldon was rested against Saints, Netherton last night so it's Liams turn this week. Looks like he will make it a consistant rotation of these 3'"
No issues with resting/dropping players...however to use a young players on National tv as one of the excuses then name the player to be rested is harsh...he should have spoken to the young lad first IMO.
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| Foe what its worth I am led to believe that as was noted on here a while ago, he knows he has a performance revue with the directors around Easter , but thus far its a bit confusing with wins against Sts, Hudds and Cas then a loss to Crusaders but no shame in a loss at Wigan to be fair, however the manner of the defeat was hard to take....
Agar has said "the lads know where they went wrong" I would like to know what they discussed!!
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Wonder if he'll pick Justin up on his way to the dole queue by the way some fans were speaking last night?'"
Would be a hell of a lot more if you didn't pick up very lucky wins against cas and saints
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Wigan were excellent last night but have won nothing yet. If they win one or both trophies then Maguire will rightly be afforded the accolades. Until such time as that happens he is just another SL coach. No trophies up for grabs in March. I've searched around last week's posts but cant find any praise for his transformation of the Wigan side after last week's poor defeat at Bradford.'"
Who cares what they did at bradford? Last night he came up with a gameplan, his players executed it to perfection and his team destroyed ours. They could easily have had 60 points last night.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Who cares what they did at bradford? Last night he came up with a gameplan, his players executed it to perfection and his team destroyed ours. They could easily have had 60 points last night.'"
And we could have easily threw the towel in, but didn't.
Although the defeat was dissapointing, the three late tries give us something to build on for next week and show that we are not just going to curl up and die like we have done on numerous occasions over the past 2 years.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Who cares what they did at bradford? Last night he came up with a gameplan, his players executed it to perfection and his team destroyed ours. They could easily have had 60 points last night.'"
If they could easily have had 60 points but didn't, doesn't that constitute a failure of the plan?
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| Quote ="Kosh"If they could easily have had 60 points but didn't, doesn't that constitute a failure of the plan?'"
Couple of dropped balls, couple of decisions against them. Maybe they just got bored running in tries?
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"Thought you were signing out
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I did last night!!
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"I did last night!!
Contributed again this morning! not sure why I am explaining myself though'"
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| Quote ="Kosh"If they could easily have had 60 points but didn't, doesn't that constitute a failure of the plan?'"
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Who cares what they did at bradford? Last night he came up with a gameplan, his players executed it to perfection and his team destroyed ours. They could easily have had 60 points last night.'"
Just pointing out that last week they were poor. You said Maguire had transformed the Wigan team I simply mentioned that he didn't last week. Don't understand the 60 point bit.
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| Quote ="B0NES"It's not the best way to go about things is it.'"
the player getting dropped wont be a Aussie though......Morgan has a bloody big ego.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"the player getting dropped wont be a Aussie though......[uMorgan has a bloody big ego[/u.'"
Aye...and it will catch up with him at some point
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Aye...and it will catch up with him at some point
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Already is.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Just pointing out that last week they were poor. You said Maguire had transformed the Wigan team I simply mentioned that he didn't last week. Don't understand the 60 point bit.'"
If they'd got another 2 tries and 2 goals it would have been 60
Just saying we could have conceded 10 tries and it would have been a decent reflection of our performance
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| Thought I would stick my twopennyworth in to the debate.
Although last nights performance was a little disappointing (even though the loss was probably expected), it would be harsh in the extreme to sack Agar when we have 4 wins from 6 so far. What's more, removing him would solve little as the chances of being able to appoint a top class coach in March are minimal. These days. coaches seem loathe to switch clubs mid season, preferring to see out their contract with the coaching merry go-round taking place during the close season. This situation seems to be especially true down under with coaching movements often known well before the end of the current season. The other option would be to install Moore as head coach, but seeing as promoting the assistant of a failed sacked head coach is what got us into this situation in the first place, I don't think its the right option. Also Moore is unproven as a head coach so again we would be back to square one.
So Agar should stay for the time being, given the current dictates. Having said all that, I do not believe his contract should be extended beyond the current campaign.
Everything about our club indicates that we should be challenging Leeds for the position of top dogs in SL. Our ground, attendance levels, income streams, merchandising sales etc all point towards one of the biggest clubs in the British game, which is why we was awarded a grade A franchise in 2008. But these advantages are clearly not being transferred into an eqvilalent level of success on the playing field. One of the major contributory factors holding us back from making a genuine sustained challenge for honours is the board's refusal to head hunt a World class head coach. With all the will in the World, Richard Agar is not the man to take us up to the next level and in my opinion the board should start making discreet enquiries now concerning potential candidates for the position for the next 3-5 years.
This isn't a knee-jerk reaction to last night's result, I have been of the opinion that Richard Agar is not the man for the job since the day at Quins when Peter Sharp was fired. We have the basis of a playing squad capable of great things (there isn't too much tinkering required) but I'm afraid we will continue to languish in mid table rather than top 3 (which is where we should be) until this issue is faced up to.
So in summary : Short term, Agar should stay as there is no obvious immediate replacement, but long term he simply isn't up to the job in hand. He's a grade B coach in charge of a grade A club.
And that dear readers is my twopennyworth.
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| Are we going to have one of these threads every time we lose ?
Some of you are just hell bent on bringing negativity back to the club.
We got beat and didn't play at our best...it fooking happens.
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