Chucking Miller in for his first game, behind our depleted pack would have been suicidal.

Before the game I'd have probably agreed, but he can't possibly have been any worse.

well, I can't say I disagree, but that's hindsight for you! At least we can't get (much) worse

Can understand why he didn't gamble on Miller today given the lack of forwards and the conditions...but he has to get his chance on Friday. If he doesn't we need to pay him off and move on. Paying him to sit in the stand is doing nobody any good.

Agree with this. If he isn't selected on Friday I don't know when he will be.

I have got to agree I can not blame the forwards today Ellis was great Watts stood up can not really fault them guys our half's and outside backs where wooful simple same problem we have had for 5 or more years its a coach killer our enthusiasm was poor also which is disappointing the worst thing was widnes where poor as well most teams in the league would have beaten them by 20 today 2 points thrown away really ed off with that performance, I will give credit to Radders at least he is honest hope he kicks em up the harris tomorrow some really need it

It would appear to me that the contract clause of being released if you haven't played for 6 months, is soon to be invoked.

If this is true then we have a major problem because what we have at the moment will mean we struggle to reach the play offs.

Thought that was only if it was due to injury?

we have plenty to reach the play offs they just need to put a decent shift of work in u can not bomb 4 clear cut chances and exspect to win in those conditions the players where dreadful it started terrible and did not improve any such a contrast from our opening 4 games

Might as well have given Dave Butler a go today if he's not going to pick Miller. Ellis was superb but wasn't backed up.

He has been since the season started.
I feel for him.

hull seem as far away than ever sorting the halfback problem.with agar it was berrigan and washbrooke we kept trying there,with gentle it was westerman and whiting he tinkered with there.now we have heremaia out of position playing there.miller needs to be given a chance.saints,wigan and Castleford to name 3 ,have gone out and signed scrum halfs,who while no world beaters at least know the basics in half back play.

I'd go with Miller and Rankin next week. Drop Horne and get Azza spelling Houghton. Back to basics.

Got to be worth a go.

He did that once when he literally had no other options. By and large he stuck with Miller/Holdsworth/Horne as long as injuries allowed.

Ditto.

time to start rankin at 6 and miller at 7, end of!

That time was the first game of the season.

Bingo.

Can I have a cuddly toy?

It's what they were signed for , Got to be both given a go next week.

Just a few years back? he was a poor 7 many moons before that, Webster used to have him in his back pocket 2 or 3 games a season. Had been going well for you guys at coming on to replace Houghton, god knows why Radford changed it!

well said

Said this for years, but I get shouted down.

HORNE IS NOT and NEVER WILL BE A HALF-BACK. He was a fullback, ruined by McRae with endless tinkering.
Hornes ridiculous inside ball to a man behind never works, never has and is just dumb. His kicking yesterday was terrible. If you're going to do a cross-field kick, try and get it close to the tryline so if someone DOES catch it, they have a chance of getting the ball down.

Miller and Rankin next week. It has to be.

Ellis and Feka didn't deserve to be in that team yesterday. I felt for them every time the ball was dropped or thrown at a touch-judge.