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| If the club can pull it off and get him in without any delay then it will be a very good signing. Thought he was a cracking player for Catalan.
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| He was a great player at Catalans, and if he can get over his injuries and rediscover that kind of form, he will be a great signing for you.
I don't understand this union salary cap exemption thing. I though it only applied for players who had never played league before? Anyone got a clearer definition?
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| Quote ="SirStan"He was a great player at Catalans, and if he can get over his injuries and rediscover that kind of form, he will be a great signing for you.
I don't understand this union salary cap exemption thing. I though it only applied for players who had never played league before? Anyone got a clearer definition?'"
No I don't understand it but I would hope Motu and AP do. I think you need a bit of size in the centres these days and this kid will certainly bring that . the injuries are a concern but he played 69 time for Catalans previous so it's not like he's been plagued his whole career.
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| Sounds like a great signing, will add some size to your back row and if he plays inside the binman it’ll certainly be an imposing pair. Wouldn’t read too much into him not working out in RU, it’s a very different game and suits some players more than others. Been more players (some very good RL players) who have gone across and failed rather than the Jason Robinsons of this world.
The only down side of the signing will be if he replaces Crooks (long term)and it disillusions the lad too much and his head gets turned. Still you need to worry about todays team I suppose and was surprised Sa is only 26, always thought he towards the end of his career.
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| Really good signing, just the type of player we need, he is fast, powerful, scores and sets up trys. I just hope he has been signed to play and he is looked as a replacement for Yeaman and not Crooks.
Try and get rid of Arundel at the end of the year and have Crooks, Yeaman and Sa fighting for the two spots.
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| Signals the end of Arundel, probably best for both parties.
Short term i'd imagine it'll be Crooks that loses out and whose job it is to put pressure on Sa & Yeaman. Reckon it'll be Sa & Crooks long term and probably by the end of the year.
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| Quote ="*1865*"Signals the end of Arundel, probably best for both parties.
Short term i'd imagine it'll be Crooks that loses out and whose job it is to put pressure on Sa & Yeaman. Reckon it'll be Sa & Crooks long term and probably by the end of the year.'"
Sa won't be here for at least a couple of games, so I hope Radford sticks with Crooks and he can show us how good he can be, putting pressure on Yeaman to up his game.
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| Have the HDM just nicked that story from the talk on here?
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| Quote ="*1865*"Short term i'd imagine it'll be Crooks that loses out and whose job it is to put pressure on Sa & Yeaman. Reckon it'll be Sa & Crooks long term and probably by the end of the year.'"
I can see this.
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| Quote ="SirStan"
I don't understand this union salary cap exemption thing. I though it only applied for players who had never played league before? Anyone got a clearer definition?'"
Here is the full rule from the operational rule book:
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E1:5:12‘New Talent Pool Players Allowance’
The intention behind this allowance is to remove any disincentive Clubs might feel in considering signing untried players from Rugby League development areas and/or other sports.
The RSCM will administer the allowance in pursuit of this intention in the event of any cases where there is a doubt as to whether the individual in question should qualify for an allowance.
An allowance against the calculation of a player’s Salary Cap Value is available under the provisions of this clause 5.14 as follows:
(a) a person who:
(i) has attained age 19 on 31st August prior to the start of the season (e.g. 31st August 2012 for the 2013 season),
(ii) has not played Rugby League at any age group or level, subject to the RSCM’s ability to use his reasonable discretion to override this restriction so that, non-exhaustively, it would ordinarily apply only to those who have not:
(a) played Rugby League for any participant club or team in a national 1st tier senior grade competition (including for example, the European Super League, UK Championships, any of the Australian NRL competitions, French Elite Championship, New Zealand’s national competitions),
(b) played for a team in a national Rugby League development competition (including non-exhaustively, the RFL’s Academy competitions and the NRL’s National Youth Competition), and/or
(c) participated in and/or played RFL Scholarship age group Rugby League (or any equivalent Rugby League programmes based in other countries not covered in (ii) (a) or (b) above)
shall, for the purposes of the allowance set out in this clause 5.13, be known as a ‘New Talent Pool Player’,
(b) subject to (c) below, where a Club registers a New Talent Pool Player, that player’s Salary Cap Value will be reduced in accordance with the following provisions:
(i) in respect of the period up to the end of the New Talent Pool Player’s first full Salary Cap Year with the Club, his Salary Cap Value will be reduced to £0 (and for the avoidance of doubt, where the New Talent Pool Player is registered on or after 1st February during a Salary Cap Year, that year will not count as the one full Salary Cap Year to which this allowance applies),
(ii) in respect of the period up to the end of the New Talent Pool Player’s second full Salary Cap Year, his Salary Cap Value will be reduced by 50%,
(c) the New Talent Pool Player allowance set out in (b) above is subject to the following conditions:
(i) Clubs are limited to 2 New Talent Pool Players to whom the New Talent Pool Players allowance can apply to at any time,
(ii) where a Club has more than 2 New Talent Pool Players registered, it may notify the RSCM as to which 2 of its New Talent Pool Players the allowance will apply,
(iii) for the avoidance of doubt, where a New Talent Pool Player moves to another Club the allowance is available to his new Club but shall not extend beyond the period it would have endured had he remained at his original Club.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Sa won't be here for at least a couple of games, so I hope Radford sticks with Crooks and he can show us how good he can be, putting pressure on Yeaman to up his game.'" I hope so too.
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| Yeaman's replacement hopefully - Crooks simply has plenty to improve on and I'm sure will be given time in the right environment. Arundel clearly moves further down the pecking order and might be better off coming to an agreement.
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| Quote ="barham red"Sounds like a great signing, will add some size to your back row and if he plays inside the binman it’ll certainly be an imposing pair. Wouldn’t read too much into him not working out in RU, it’s a very different game and suits some players more than others. Been more players (some very good RL players) who have gone across and failed rather than the Jason Robinsons of this world.
The only down side of the signing will be if he replaces Crooks (long term)and it disillusions the lad too much and his head gets turned. Still you need to worry about todays team I suppose and was surprised Sa is only 26, always thought he towards the end of his career.'"
Crooks needs taking out of the firing line before it gets too late IMO. A player like Yeaman is old enough and wise enough to cop for the crack of a whip but Crooks I am not so convinced yet. He could do with having time away from the first team to bulk up and work on his D, maybe send him to work at Donny for a few weeks.
In the long run it will be better for his development IMO. He is still only young and if he spends this year developing and improving on his weaknesses he still can be a starting centre for us from next season and will only be 21. Whilst we sometimes are reluctant to throw youngsters in I think its also important to not just throw them in and leave them to be rabbits in the headlights.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"Here is the full rule from the operational rule book:
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Do the words "clearer definition" mean nothing to you?
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| Sa would be a good signing considering the overall quality available to SL clubs at present.
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| I don't see how the exemptions apply to Sa. Talanoa played a handful of RU games, is he off the cap?
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| Quote ="Wildmoose"I don't see how the exemptions apply to Sa. Talanoa played a handful of RU games, is he off the cap?'"
Didn't play international.
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| I'd much rather lose Yeaman than Arundel. He's been unlucky with injuries and never really got going. I think he showed last season when he had a run of games that he's potentially a very good player.
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"I'd much rather lose Yeaman than Arundel. He's been unlucky with injuries and never really got going. I think he showed last season when he had a run of games that he's potentially a very good player.'"
After watching the game back sober, I thought Arundel was dire. I know he's not a winger, but as unpopular as Yeamo is right now - he's a much better option.
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| Quote ="*1865*"Quote ="Wildmoose"I don't see how the exemptions apply to Sa. Talanoa played a handful of RU games, is he off the cap?'"
Didn't play international.'"
Heard Pearson mention that in relation to Biggs but can't see it in the rules. Seems to be several reasons why Sa wouldn't qualify though.
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"I'd much rather lose Yeaman than Arundel. He's been unlucky with injuries and never really got going. I think he showed last season when he had a run of games that he's potentially a very good player.'"
I think in Arundels case it more about the money his contracts worth , (apparently) rolling contract ending at around 100k iirc .
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| This could be avery good bit of business by the club.
Looked very decent at Catalan.
Big unit too i'd play him alongside talano.
More likely he'll play him on the right to shore up our right edge.
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| Potentially an excellent signing for us, offers power and pace which we have lacked in the centres.
Slight worries about his recent injuries but he played around seventy times for Catalans in three seasons so not a bad record overall.
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| Sounds like Motu has been a key influence in the deal. Good lad.
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