Which team would have more chance of winning a grand final:

St Helens coached by Lee Radford
Hull FC coached by Justin Holbrook

Not being antagonistic, just wondered if it’s squad strength or coaching systems that are most important to developing a champion side.

St's are a well oiled machine with some very good player. I think it would take a lot to know them off their tracks.

Think I could get current Saints side to Grand Final,

The fact is St's are a well structured team and not just reliant on individual flair so you could pretty much put anyone in charge of St's for a game and they would still perform to a high level. Hull on the other hand seem to be the opposite of that and rely on individuals rather than any real structured play.

If you took Lewis Hamilton & put him in a Mclaren of course he wouldn't do as well as he does in his Mercedes but he'd do much more with the Mclaren and out perform either Sainz or Norris.

So in a one off game it would be hard to say but if we you'd said over a season then I'd say a Hull with Holbrook would out perform a St's with Radford.

Saints haven't won won a major trophy in the last five years
We've bagged a couple.
Let's see if they can get over the line this year.

That's not the question though.

Holbrook has been in charge for 2 seasons, has Saints playing super rugby and are currently untouchable.

He's also been poached for a head coach's job in the NRL, I can't see Radford being poached by anyone let alone a NRL side.

If we were swapping coaches over a season I'd go for Hull with Holbrook.

Well I'll go for Radders with Saint.
Holbrook will be deemed a failure if he can't win at least one of the big two before departure.

You honestly believe that saints team playing the Radford way would be better than our squad playing the holbrook way. Stupid question anyway , never going to happen

Holbrook is a minge.
Hope Wires beat them at Wembley, and think they might.
If we don't clash with Saints before OT we'll do them in the final, then we can see who the daddy is.

Before holbrook came over, pretty much the same saints team was utter gash under cunningham. He's a top coach who would improve any team in the comp

A little disrespectful Mr Wiz to the coach who has produced the best team by far in Super League
We already know who the daddy is between the two coaches and its certainly not Radford

Just not my bag matey.


Best teams have to win things to be the best!
You know you love Radders really.

Why does everything have to be either the height of success of the depths of failure? Holbrook has turned St's into possibly the most consistently dominant teams SL has seen, how is that a failure?

Irrespective of some posters views, Brian Smith turned Hull around but never won a trophy, was he a failure? Daryl Powell appears to be able to coach any player into improvement, is he a failure for not winning silverware?

You should stop listening to TalkSport so much, they spout this kind of comment on a regular basis.

NURSE.....help needed for Wizeb....looks like the meds have worn off.

To be fair, anyone could have improved on Cunningham.

Bit of positive thinking old bean.
I'll give up when it's no longer possible.
I'll take my pardon from the whineathon if we come up short.

I think I would have improved Saints if I'd have took over from Saints, they had some good players, he was useless.

Saying that Holbrook is obviously a decent coach, but if they don't win at least one trophy this season is say he time will have been slightly disapointting after being so dominant for the last two seasons.

I'd be amazed if they don't win on Saturday, think only Wigan can stop them for the double.

Fair play,

Most on here want Hull to succeed and I am a glass half full type, that said at would be a monumental turnaround for us to end up as champions

Interesting that the gereral concensus is that the coach is the difference. Puzzling that so many Hull fans are content with Radford as ours.

We've got no f00king chance but we live in hope.
It's never over until the gargantuan female sings.

It’s a good point. From memory he hasn’t had any mass clear outs so is working with a similar group of players, but has made them into a totally different animal.

these threads really get tedious after a defeat.we played crap.end of.

It's what we're missing. I doubt there'll be any more trophies ubder the current regime.

I think Radford has been badly let down recently with player attitude. The number of unforced errors on Saturday was unreal. No coach can prepare the amount of knock on's we did.

That may be but player performance is his job just like any other manager. The buck stops with the coach. We've seen what difference a good coach makes. Radford will always be one of the 'Immortals' in my eyes but I don't want that tarnished because he stays too long without delivering more sucess.