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| Time has now come for Connor to be given the full back role.
He’s our most talented player, who needs his hands on the ball as much as possible. He’s wasted at centre.
Shaul can go to the wing and give us some much needed pace out wide.
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| Would like to see that against Wigan. Think Shaul may not like that though haha
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| Just think nowadays, a clubs best player is often the fullback, especially in the NRL.
Connor could chime in and give some great passes out. He’s great under the high ball as well. Might even mean we had a plan B.
Could give us loads of options if he was our third pivot.
Shaul can use his pace on the wing and still make metres out of backfield.
No chance of happening though, even though it should.
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| Shaul is never a winger. Play him full back or not at all.
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| Quote ="FC Callum"Shaul is never a winger. Play him full back or not at all.'"
He is not a tackle machine but would make a very good modern 9 and offer us a real running threat from acting half
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| Shaul played hooker most of his junior life
Struggles with tackling though
Connor always at 6
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| Quote ="bonaire"He is not a tackle machine but would make a very good modern 9 and offer us a real running threat from acting half'"
I never understand these kinds of comments, you need your most intelligent rugby player and arguably best passer playing at hooker, Shaul is neither of those. Just because he's good at scooting doesn't mean he'll make a good 1st grade hooker
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| Quote ="Baxendale"I never understand these kinds of comments, you need your most intelligent rugby player and arguably best passer playing at hooker, Shaul is neither of those. Just because he's good at scooting doesn't mean he'll make a good 1st grade hooker'"
houghton's passing is pretty average. It was noticeable on Saturday how much better the ball out of dummy half was when litten went there
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| Littens passing from dummy half was very good. He’s earned a shot for next year.
If not, I give up to be honest
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| Quote ="Baxendale"I never understand these kinds of comments, you need your most intelligent rugby player and arguably best passer playing at hooker, Shaul is neither of those. Just because he's good at scooting doesn't mean he'll make a good 1st grade hooker'"
Why do you need your best passer of the ball playing 9? Houghtons passing is hardly inspiring.
If you cant pick a ball up off the floor and pass two to 3 metres to a team mate then you really dont want to be playing R/L
The game is changing.We have been used to Danny Houghton at 9 as a tackle machine but the best nines in Super League are runners not tacklers.
Jezz litten is too lightweight at the moment and if we do go with Connor at Full back then for me Shaul would make a good running 9.
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| Jake would be a good full back, he is quality without doubt, but I would be loathed to move Jamie as apart from this @%#@ season he’s been a star for us, and a local lad which has to be a positive, kick him up the backside along with 90% this year, but winger or hooker can’t see it.
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| Connor at fb and Shaul on the left wing just makes sense to me. Connor, Kelly and Sneyd are our 3 most important attacking players and we need them all on the field getting their hands on the ball as much as possible. Connor at centre is also an option of course, but I dont think we get to see the full range of his talents there. He has all the ingredients to be a world class full back.
All that is good about Shaul is still applicable if he plays wing. We will still get the benefit of his runs from DH and his broken field running, and we get a winger with some genuine pace for a change, I think he could do well there. And he wont be asked to be a ball player, which clearly isn't his game.
Shaul at hooker however is a silly suggestion.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Why do you need your best passer of the ball playing 9? Houghtons passing is hardly inspiring.
If you cant pick a ball up off the floor and pass two to 3 metres to a team mate then you really dont want to be playing R/L
The game is changing.We have been used to Danny Houghton at 9 as a tackle machine but the best nines in Super League are runners not tacklers.
Jezz litten is too lightweight at the moment and if we do go with Connor at Full back then for me Shaul would make a good running 9.'"
What a load of rubbish. The best 9's passing is excellent, Roby, McShane and they can tackle too. A great 9 gets the ball moving at pace, gets the runners on the front foot. Shaul couldn't do this. A lot of game management comes from your 9 too, Shaul couldn't do this
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Connor at fb and Shaul on the left wing just makes sense to me. Connor, Kelly and Sneyd are our 3 most important attacking players and we need them all on the field getting their hands on the ball as much as possible. Connor at centre is also an option of course, but I dont think we get to see the full range of his talents there. He has all the ingredients to be a world class full back.
All that is good about Shaul is still applicable if he plays wing. We will still get the benefit of his runs from DH and his broken field running, and we get a winger with some genuine pace for a change, I think he could do well there. And he wont be asked to be a ball player, which clearly isn't his game.
Shaul at hooker however is a silly suggestion.'"
You contradict yourself there saying Shaul at 9 is a silly suggestion when you suggest on the wing we would get the benefit of his runs from Dummy half which is exactly the point of him playing at 9 so we could get some go forward with his speed from D/H which is clearly missing from Houghtons game at the moment.
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| Quote ="bonaire"You contradict yourself there saying Shaul at 9 is a silly suggestion when you suggest on the wing we would get the benefit of his runs from Dummy half which is exactly the point of him playing at 9 so we could get some go forward with his speed from D/H which is clearly missing from Houghtons game at the moment.'"
Its not a contradiction at all. Shaul already runs from DH quite often and its one of the stronger parts of his game. I am saying we wouldnt lose this if he went on to wing.
There is alot more to being a good hooker than just running from dummy half.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Its not a contradiction at all. Shaul already runs from DH quite often and its one of the stronger parts of his game. I am saying we wouldnt lose this if he went on to wing.
There is alot more to being a good hooker than just running from dummy half.'"
Took the words out of my mouth. My only concern about Shaul on the wing is his kick returns, the role has changed in the modern day, you need to have big bodies/strong ball carriers on the wing now.
If we played an offload game through the middle Shaul could be very effective, however as a pivot he isn't. His game is very much in the Wade McKinnon mould IMO. His best asset is his support play, which we don't utilise
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| Quote ="Baxendale"Took the words out of my mouth. My only concern about Shaul on the wing is his kick returns, the role has changed in the modern day, you need to have big bodies/strong ball carriers on the wing now.
If we played an offload game through the middle Shaul could be very effective, however as a pivot he isn't. His game is very much in the Wade McKinnon mould IMO. His best asset is his support play, which we don't utilise'"
5 to 10 years ago I would have agreed, but there actually seems to have been a move away from that and smaller quicker wingers are again having success. Grace, Marshall, Johnstone, Eden. None of them are much bigger or stronger than Shaul is. Its all about playing to your strengths.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"5 to 10 years ago I would have agreed, but there actually seems to have been a move away from that and smaller quicker wingers are again having success. Grace, Marshall, Johnstone, Eden. None of them are much bigger or stronger than Shaul is. Its all about playing to your strengths.'"
Problem is radford only knows and wants to play one way . It's boring , doesn't bring out the best in players abilities and is predictable. Don't get me wrong , when he as managed to motivate and has us playing at an high intensity for 80 mins , we are a very hard team to beat. But it doesn't happen often enough and now he's lost the dressing room, can see it happening even less
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"5 to 10 years ago I would have agreed, but there actually seems to have been a move away from that and smaller quicker wingers are again having success. Grace, Marshall, Johnstone, Eden. None of them are much bigger or stronger than Shaul is. Its all about playing to your strengths.'"
I agree there but all the wings you have mentioned have very good that create space for them.
Apart from Tuimavave and to a certain extent when Connor plays centre we dont
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| Quote ="bonaire"I agree there but all the wings you have mentioned have very good centres that create space for them.
Apart from Tuimavave and to a certain extent when Connor plays centre we dont'"
Thats true, although I would say its not just the centres, its the style that the team plays with. Any centre at this level can make a simple pass to put his winger in if the work to create a 2 on 1 has already been done in-field. Having Kelly, Sneyd and Connor all playing in creative roles has to help, but ultimately our attacking shape needs a lot of work. There is too much running sideways with the ball and not enough movement off the ball, and we have been like that pretty much since Peter Sharp left.
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| Our attacking structures are virtually non existent. We desperately need some fresh attacking ideas at the club and need to bring in an attacking coach who has no previous with the club and who will bring new ideas
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Our attacking structures are virtually non existent. We desperately need some fresh attacking ideas at the club and need to bring in an attacking coach who has no previous with the club and who will bring new ideas'"
As I mentioned a couple of posts ago, the two big things are straight lines and movement. The key to an attacking move is making it so the opposition don't know whether you are going to run or pass. If they know you are just going to pass pass pass all the way to the winger its easy to defend. You just keep sliding. We telegraph what we are doing because no one ever seems to try to straighten up the play. The whole team just drift from one side of the field to the other. No one ever catches it, runs straight to hold a defender up, and gives it out the back. We also never have anyone offering a threat back on the inside. Its just passing for the sake of passing, and then the winger has to cut back inside because we fooled no one and now he has nowhere to go. We run ourselves out of space time after time.
Its testament to guys like Connor and Kelly that they can actually make things happen with so little to work with. Put Connor in that Cas team with the options they would give him and he would be unplayable.
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| 100% move Connor to FB
The team has changed since 2016 and it’s a shame we wouldn’t get to see Shaul scoring from 90m but I reckon we’d see a lot more tries from Connors assists.
We desperately need an extra pivot outside of 6&7 and Connor would be great
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"As I mentioned a couple of posts ago, the two big things are straight lines and movement. The key to an attacking move is making it so the opposition don't know whether you are going to run or pass. If they know you are just going to pass pass pass all the way to the winger its easy to defend. You just keep sliding. We telegraph what we are doing because no one ever seems to try to straighten up the play. The whole team just drift from one side of the field to the other. No one ever catches it, runs straight to hold a defender up, and gives it out the back. We also never have anyone offering a threat back on the inside. Its just passing for the sake of passing, and then the winger has to cut back inside because we fooled no one and now he has nowhere to go. We run ourselves out of space time after time.
Its testament to guys like Connor and Kelly that they can actually make things happen with so little to work with. Put Connor in that Cas team with the options they would give him and he would be unplayable.'"
Maybe we should sign Wilkin
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| connor at 13!!!
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