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| Good luck to him. Real shame he never got the chance but by sounds of it was down to attitude as much as talent
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| Not a Radford type winger, will be interesting to see what happens to him and how he does. I had a conversation on Twitter earlier, 4 academy internationals have left Hull in the last 6 months Lancaster, Clavering, HTW and Robbie Storey.
The last one is a concern as he is a Wedt Hull lad who has chosen to sign for Cas, I was hoping those days were over.
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| To counter that, impressed with a few lads in the reserves, particularly like the look of Wray, Silk and Scott.
Marvin Lee has also done well when I've seen him.
Challenge is to get them into the first team and looking like they are ready like Wigan do.
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| after re-signing Michaels, Fonua to wing plus signing Rawsthorne and Conner (who played wing against us last season) and having noggers on the books too this was inevitible.
looks like we'll be re-signing Talanoa then by looks of things.
no incentive for youngsters to stay at the club if they are just going to sign up players externally to be backups/next in line.
think Naughton will be gone too by season end.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"after re-signing Michaels, Fonua to wing plus signing Rawsthorne and Conner (who played wing against us last season) and having noggers on the books too this was inevitible.
looks like we'll be re-signing Talanoa then by looks of things.
no incentive for youngsters to stay at the club if they are just going to sign up players externally to be backups/next in line.
think Naughton will be gone too by season end.'"
Should we just retain local lads even if better options are available?
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| If they're good enough, they'll force their way into the first team (Shaul, Turgut, Masi etc). If not, then the club and Radford are under no obligation to give anyone a chance in the first team, irregardless of their years of service in the academy, their affiliation with the club or their 'potential'.
I'd like nothing more than to see a successful team full of Hull born and raised players, but if it's not right for the club and coaching staff at the moment, then so be it. If Lancaster (or anyone else) hasn't forced their way into the team, then so be it.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"after re-signing Michaels, Fonua to wing plus signing Rawsthorne and Conner (who played wing against us last season) and having noggers on the books too this was inevitible.
looks like we'll be re-signing Talanoa then by looks of things.
no incentive for youngsters to stay at the club if they are just going to sign up players externally to be backups/next in line.
think Naughton will be gone too by season end.'"
I agree, there's no incentive.
Unless you happen to be Logan, Turgut, Fash, Downs, Litten or Masi.......
I'll trust the judgement of those that see the players in training every day.
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| Good call IR having followed some of his antics over the years on social media its hardly surprising. Radford has always said keep your head down and you'll get a chance as have Massi Turgot, Fash, Downs, Litten etc speaks volumes that he's not got a sniff since last Easter for me really, but good luck to him. From social media tonight It looks like he's off to the casino to spend his severance payment.
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| Seems to me that Lancaster suffered from believing he was a superstar from that handful of games couple of seasons back. Think that may well have gone to his head and altered his attitude. He got a chance then seems to have stalled and reading between the lines it seems to be down to attitude.
Top marks to the club and coaching staff as it shouldn't matter how good you are or think you are if your attitude is wrong and not in the ethos of the club then the door should rightly be shown.
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| Quote ="Chris71"Seems to me that Lancaster suffered from believing he was a superstar from that handful of games couple of seasons back. Think that may well have gone to his head and altered his attitude. He got a chance then seems to have stalled and reading between the lines it seems to be down to attitude.
Top marks to the club and coaching staff as it shouldn't matter how good you are or think you are if your attitude is wrong and not in the ethos of the club then the door should rightly be shown.'"
100%, being a local lad counts for nothing if your attitude isn't right.
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| Quote ="Cardiff_05"If they're good enough, they'll force their way into the first team (Shaul, Turgut, Masi etc). If not, then the club and Radford are under no obligation to give anyone a chance in the first team, irregardless of their years of service in the academy, their affiliation with the club or their 'potential'.
I'd like nothing more than to see a successful team full of Hull born and raised players, but if it's not right for the club and coaching staff at the moment, then so be it. If Lancaster (or anyone else) hasn't forced their way into the team, then so be it.'"
Absolutely dead right. Good enough players make their own case for selection. Furthermore does anyone seriously think that Radford and Motu would deliberately seek out an overseas winger and blow a quota spot if there was a local (and in all likelihood cheaper) option with similar ability available? Yes Lancaster has potential in there and real pace isn't something that can be coached or trained for, but at the moment he's looking like a poor man's Kevin Penny. Penny, to his credit, had the character and application to get himself back into SL - I wonder if Lancaster has?
Finally which coach gave Lancaster his chance in the 1st team? Surely can't be Radford as he doesn't trust youth.
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| I was suprised/disappointed last easter Monday v wire how little he'd come on.
Made a couple of errors. Looked petrified under the high ball and got cemented on a few returns
Seen him a few times in the reserves..Again left underwhelmed in his general play. Tries/speed mega. Rest not so
Hopefully he can go on and prove himself and make it to the top. But my trust is in the coaches who see him every game and most days in training
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| Good luck to the kid.
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| The kid had all what gave him a shot coached
out of him.
Shame that some see confidence as attitude.
Not handled well like HTW and Dean etc
Good luck Lancy
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| Quote ="Touchdown"The kid had all what gave him a shot coached
out of him.
Shame that some see confidence as attitude.
Not handled well like HTW and Dean etc
Good luck Lancy'"
I know it's early days but HTW is playing for York and they are having a terrible season and Dean can't get into the Wolfpack side, like me you have only seen these players play the odd first team game mainly in friendlier, we don't see them either day like the coaching staff.
People said the same about Lee and Lyne and we haven't regretted those being released (in fact I can't think of one young player that was a mistake (Hodgson maybe)) in the last few years.
I hope they do well, but without anything to back up your statement that the players weren't handled well, it's hard to believe.
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| Quote ="Dave K."I know it's early days but HTW is playing for York and they are having a terrible season and Dean can't get into the Wolfpack side, like me you have only seen these players play the odd first team game mainly in friendlier, we don't see them either day like the coaching staff.
People said the same about Lee and Lyne and we haven't regretted those being released (in fact I can't think of one young player that was a mistake (Hodgson maybe)) in the last few years.
I hope they do well, but without anything to back up your statement that the players weren't handled well, it's hard to believe.'"
Wasn't Hodgson a salary cap issue?. Sure Agar said at the time we'd like to have kept him but we had Berrigan and Houghton as well at the time.
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"Wasn't Hodgson a salary cap issue?. Sure Agar said at the time we'd like to have kept him but we had Berrigan and Houghton as well at the time.'"
He wanted to leave to play first team, just unfortunate we had an Australian international and the best young hooker in the league at the time. A different time and we wouldn't have released him.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"after re-signing Michaels, Fonua to wing plus signing Rawsthorne and Conner (who played wing against us last season) and having noggers on the books too this was inevitible.
looks like we'll be re-signing Talanoa then by looks of things.
no incentive for youngsters to stay at the club if they are just going to sign up players externally to be backups/next in line.
think Naughton will be gone too by season end.'"
When any youngster signs they know unless they are a better than the current players they are not going to get many chance to play unless injuries kick in and thats the same at every Club.If you was Radford would you drop Talanoa, Micheals,ect and play Lancaster just to keep him happy or would you wait and see if he has the fight and willingness to improve and prove he is worthy of a spot.
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| Quote ="Wizard crane"When any youngster signs they know unless they are a better than the current players they are not going to get many chance to play unless injuries kick in and thats the same at every Club.If you was Radford would you drop Talanoa, Micheals,ect and play Lancaster just to keep him happy or would you wait and see if he has the fight and willingness to improve and prove he is worthy of a spot.'"
For me, I wouldnt have resigned Michaels and I would have gone with Lancaster as back up (or Naughton). Could have used the quota spot on an impact forward then.
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| Would an "impact prop" been as cheap as Michaels?
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| Quote ="ccs"Would an "impact prop" been as cheap as Michaels?'"
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| Quote ="ccs"Would an "impact prop" been as cheap as Michaels?'"
Must be a Moa type player who could have done what we needed.
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| Quote ="Wizard crane"When any youngster signs they know unless they are a better than the current players they are not going to get many chance to play unless injuries kick in and thats the same at every Club.If you was Radford would you drop Talanoa, Micheals,ect and play Lancaster just to keep him happy or would you wait and see if he has the fight and willingness to improve and prove he is worthy of a spot.'"
I'd probably drop Talanoa after Friday to be honest
That's the difficulty isn't it. You want youngsters to get as much first team experience as possible, but at the same time the coach/club need results and have to play their best team available.
Wigan aren't playing Forsyth, Davies & Marshall at the moment for their development. They're playing because Burgess, Gildart & Manfredi are injured.
What Wigan do better than every other club, and I used Wigan as they're the benchmark in this regard, is develop their youngsters so that they're able to slot into the first team as seamlessly as possible. This isn't a fluke. They play the same systems throughout their club, so when called upon, a youngster as well as having the skills, understands the system and exactly what their job is when they step up.
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Must be a Moa type player who could have done what we needed.'"
Would love Moa back, or someone similar
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