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| Are they at again?
Signing Nuuauasala at this stage of the season?
Will they break the salary cap, strengthen their team and take the pitiful consequences next season?
Cheating pies.
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| Quote ="VoiceOfReason"Are they at again?
Signing Nuuauasala at this stage of the season?
Will they break the salary cap, strengthen their team and take the pitiful consequences next season?
Cheating pies.'"
Yes we have Signed Nuuausala in the middle of the season
No we won't break the cap because we're not even near it, yes we're strengthening our pack, we won't face any consequences
We're not cheating so you don't need to worry
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| Quote ="KingRoss11"Yes we have Signed Nuuausala in the middle of the season
No we won't break the cap because we're not even near it, yes we're strengthening our pack, we won't face any consequences
We're not cheating so you don't need to worry'"
Strange, as Wane was moaning only a few weeks ago that he was at full cap with half of it sat in the stands due to injury. Someone's telling porkies
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Strange, as Wane was moaning only a few weeks ago that he was at full cap with half of it sat in the stands due to injury. Someone's telling porkies
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Her never said we was at full cap, he said 1 million was sat in the stands due to injury but we're not at full cap so don't get your hopes up that for 1 season Wigan won't be in the top 3 or in the grand final like normally
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| Quote ="KingRoss11"Her never said we was at full cap, he said 1 million was sat in the stands due to injury but we're not at full cap so don't get your hopes up that for 1 season Wigan won't be in the top 3 or in the grand final like normally'"
Quite remarkably, Wane has spoken more then once this year, on said subject and has uttered words other the ones you quote.
If I could be bothered to trawl sporting lifes website for the quote I would. But not to appease someone who cannot be bother to look also.
You are the epitome of why Wigan are so disliked. Full of arrogance and lacking information.
Now, toddle off, do your home work.....
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O'Loughlin
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All played first team this season.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Quite remarkably, Wane has spoken more then once this year, on said subject and has uttered words other the ones you quote.
If I could be bothered to trawl sporting lifes website for the quote I would. But not to appease someone who cannot be bother to look also.
You are the epitome of why Wigan are so disliked. Full of arrogance and lacking information.
Now, toddle off, do your home work.....'"
You can't get the quote because their isn't one you clown, also Wigan are so disliked because of how successful we are, jealousy springs to mind
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| Quote ="The Milky Bar Kid"Sam Tomkins
Manfredi
Gildart
Charnley
Tierney
Wiliams
Shorrocks
Crosby
McIlorum
Mossop
Farrell
Joel Tomkins
O'Loughlin
And then
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Powell
Burke
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Smith
Clubb
Bateman
We could also add
Gregson
Waterworth
Higginson
Wells
All played first team this season.'"
You can take Sam Tomkins away from there because he's a marquee player, and if you look at them players really, do you think they add up to 1.8 million, I doubt they do
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| Quote ="KingRoss11"You can take Sam Tomkins away from there because he's a marquee player, and if you look at them players really, do you think they add up to 1.8 million, I doubt they do'" Not quite, he's £100k on the cap (assuming he's club trained).
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| Quote ="KingRoss11"You can take Sam Tomkins away from there because he's a marquee player, and if you look at them players really, do you think they add up to 1.8 million, I doubt they do'"
£100k of the marque players salary is counted on the cap, you clown.
If it was about being successful, you might have had a point 20 years ago.
But as pointed out you have the traits of the standard Wigan fan. Boring, misinformed, arrogant and inherently wrong.
Do a bit of research before spouting cack.
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| Quote ="KingRoss11"You can take Sam Tomkins away from there because he's a marquee player, and if you look at them players really, do you think they add up to 1.8 million, I doubt they do'"
Wane is certainly quoted after the Warrington game as saying that he had a million pounds sat in the stands (or training in the gym instead of playing). I'm no expert on Wigan, but by my reckoning the senior players missing that day were Sam Tomkins, Gelling, McIlorum, Flower and Bateman, as well as Williams and Crosby. So if we assume Tomkins accounts for £100k as a home grown marquee player, then the other 6 are sharing £900k (Wow).
So on that basis, yes, I can well believe the combined salaries of the rest of your squad, inc. Sarginson, Manfredi, Gildart, Charnley, Smith, Powell, Clubb, Farrell, Joel Tomkins, O'Loughlin, Tautai, Isa and anyone else that played that day add up to at least £850k. Can't you?
That is based on a direct quote from your coach (who should know) versus the squad of players that took to the field that day.
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| Quote ="Mars"Wane is certainly quoted after the Warrington game as saying that he had a million pounds sat in the stands (or training in the gym instead of playing). I'm no expert on Wigan, but by my reckoning the senior players missing that day were Sam Tomkins, Gelling, McIlorum, Flower and Bateman, as well as Williams and Crosby. So if we assume Tomkins accounts for £100k as a home grown marquee player, then the other 6 are sharing £900k (Wow).
So on that basis, yes, I can well believe the combined salaries of the rest of your squad, inc. Sarginson, Manfredi, Gildart, Charnley, Smith, Powell, Clubb, Farrell, Joel Tomkins, O'Loughlin, Tautai, Isa and anyone else that played that day add up to at least £850k. Can't you?
That is based on a direct quote from your coach (who should know) versus the squad of players that took to the field that day.'"
Yes I can agree with you too a point when you look at it like that, but we wouldn't sign Nuuausala if we couldn't fit him on the cap, we're not that dumb to do that, plus Canberra are paying at least 30% of his wages for the first season so he'll fit on the cap
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| Quote ="KingRoss11"Yes I can agree with you too a point when you look at it like that, but we wouldn't sign Nuuausala if we couldn't fit him on the cap, we're not that dumb to do that, plus Canberra are paying at least 30% of his wages for the first season so he'll fit on the cap'"
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Similar quote almost 10 years to the day, your right Wigan are not that dumb are they?
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| I've heard that Wigan are still operating well below their £3bn salary cap.
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| Quote ="Mars"Wane is certainly quoted after the Warrington game as saying that he had a million pounds sat in the stands (or training in the gym instead of playing). I'm no expert on Wigan, but by my reckoning the senior players missing that day were Sam Tomkins, Gelling, McIlorum, Flower and Bateman, as well as Williams and Crosby. So if we assume Tomkins accounts for £100k as a home grown marquee player, then the other 6 are sharing £900k (Wow).
So on that basis, yes, I can well believe the combined salaries of the rest of your squad, inc. Sarginson, Manfredi, Gildart, Charnley, Smith, Powell, Clubb, Farrell, Joel Tomkins, O'Loughlin, Tautai, Isa and anyone else that played that day add up to at least £850k. Can't you?
That is based on a direct quote from your coach (who should know) versus the squad of players that took to the field that day.'"
You obviously don't understand the salary cap rules.
The £1.85 million is the base line. Have a look at the marque rule, the 10 year rule and most importantly the academy International produces player rule. Just to give you a bit of help, HKR will get an additional £10K cap allowance for Scott Taylor playing for England and the same applies for Josh Hodgson. Now look at how many Wigan academy produced players are /have been in the England teams recently.
Go and do your research.
btw A player will be leaving Wigan almost immediately to free up the cap space for Frank-Paul Nu'uausala and some of his salary I believe is still being paid by Canberra
hth
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"You obviously don't understand the salary cap rules.
The £1.85 million is the base line. Have a look at the marque rule, the 10 year rule and most importantly the academy International produces player rule. Just to give you a bit of help, HKR will get an additional £10K cap allowance for Scott Taylor playing for England and the same applies for Josh Hodgson. Now look at how many Wigan academy produced players are /have been in the England teams recently.
Go and do your research.
btw A player will be leaving Wigan almost immediately to free up the cap space for Frank-Paul Nu'uausala and some of his salary I believe is still being paid by Canberra
hth'"
You can play with numbers all you like, my point was that it's not hard to envisage Wigan being at full cap if, per Shaun Wane's statement, Bateman, McIlorum, Gelling, Flower, Williams and Crosby are sharing £900k between them. Adding Tomkins assumed £100k and bearing in mind the quality of the rest of your squad, based on that salary scale we could easily assume Wigan are at full cap, whether that's £1.85 million or £2 million.
If Wigan are releasing someone of equal quality to FPN (Bateman?) then fair enough, maybe his contract is back-loaded, maybe Canberra are paying part of his salary as Canterbury are with Pritchard, I don't care. My point being that based on the comments of your own coach it's hard to imagine Wigan aren't at full cap at the moment and therefore need to release someone to make this work.
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| As a kind of outsider the Hull squad looks a more expensive line up than the Wigan one, Taylor, Ellis, Pritchard, Manu & Sneyd must be taking up a fair chunk. Even with FPN Wigan's squad don't look like a squad that is pushing cap rules compared to other years.
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| Quote ="Mars"You can play with numbers all you like, my point was that it's not hard to envisage Wigan being at full cap if, per Shaun Wane's statement, Bateman, McIlorum, Gelling, Flower, Williams and Crosby are sharing £900k between them. Adding Tomkins assumed £100k and bearing in mind the quality of the rest of your squad, based on that salary scale we could easily assume Wigan are at full cap, whether that's £1.85 million or £2 million.
If Wigan are releasing someone of equal quality to FPN (Bateman?) then fair enough, maybe his contract is back-loaded, maybe Canberra are paying part of his salary as Canterbury are with Pritchard, I don't care. My point being that based on the comments of your own coach it's hard to imagine Wigan aren't at full cap at the moment and therefore need to release someone to make this work.'"
And as Rogues says "If" Wigan release someone will that satisfy you?
Because I can't understand what your point is? "If" Wigan release/Sell whatever you name it a Player then surely that would be an indication that they are up to the cap and needed to do so to get FPN in?
Where as anyone said otherwise?
PS - If he said he had a Million pounds sat in the stand wouldn't that be different to having a Million "Salary cap" pounds sat in the stand.
Assuming the other way that Sam is say on 300k then the other 6 are on 700k - Does that sound more feasible?
PPS - Bateman played however - Farrell/Joel Tomkins/Manfredi & Sean O'Loughlin were also missing so as I suspected 9 players out on either 850k or 700k dependant on what Wane meant.
Seems about right to me
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| Firstly the cap is live now so the RFL won't permit any club to register a player if it takes them over. Secondly, and more importantly we are a different club now, Dave Whelan and Uncle Mo hugely underestimated the negative effects of a salary cap breach and I don't think they even cared. Ian Leneghan runs the club in a very different way, the admin side of the club are far more professional and wouldn't drag our club through the gutter like the previous regime.
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| Quote ="Trainman"Firstly the cap is live now so the RFL won't permit any club to register a player if it takes them over. Secondly, and more importantly we are a different club now, Dave Whelan and Uncle Mo hugely underestimated the negative effects of a salary cap breach and I don't think they even cared. Ian Leneghan runs the club in a very different way, the admin side of the club are far more professional and wouldn't drag our club through the gutter like the previous regime.'"
The same live cap that Salford have been deducted points for breaching?
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| Quote ="crumpledshorts"The same live cap that Salford have been deducted points for breaching?'"
Not the same issue at all - any club can breach the live salary cap if they don't declare all player payments.
The difference is that Salford were found out.
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| Quote ="ccs"Not the same issue at all - any club can breach the live salary cap if they don't declare all player payments.
The difference is that Salford were found out.'"
What's to say Wigan (or any club) are declaring correctly?
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| Quote ="crumpledshorts"What's to say Wigan (or any club) are declaring correctly?'"
Nothing, all clubs could be spending double for all we know. Salford were done for concealing payments (though they are appealing). Melbourne were heavily penalised a few years back for the same thing.
It would take a whistle blower for any club who was concealing payments to be found out, if the were (and I include my own in this) I hope they would be deducted enough points to be relegated.
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| We own the RFL, simples
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