We finish 6th or 7th and lose our only play off match, would people consider this season a success?

Personally, unless we win a play off match then I think we will have under achieved

Does the same question apply if we finish 5th ?

Given our squad I would agree.

YES

the spin doctor will say it is, with the squad we had top 4 should have been a must

Sign injury prone players and you have a ready made excuse for failure

But if we had beat Crusaders,Wakey,Quins,Salford we would have been there, just that our coach fooked up in those games and a fair few more

I personally wouldnt class it a success, but this is what i predict will happen, and will happen the season after, as a club we are going nowhere butmid-table, we should never have been in this position, after 2006 we should have kicked on and broke into the top 2/3 and stayed there, not gone into freefall, as we have done, we should (after Sharp) gone and got a top class coach, paid top dollar for one, but no, not FC, we went and promoted the guy who learnt his trade under the 2 coaches who had got the sack!!! Warrington great example, after Cullen put Lowes in, wasnt working so went out and got Tony Smith a proven top coach!! and where are they now?
Off field, we are a great success, but on the pitch where to us it matters the most, it just isnt happening, and as far as i can see, it wont happen with the coaching set up, thats in place now!

i know were warrington are now,just back from france having lost to the bottom club.

If we had played a better brand of rugby all season I would have accepted anywhere in the 8 as good progress. The turgid crap which has been served up on too many occasions makes it so I wouldn't be hapy regardless of where we finish. I think we have secured our position by investing in a triumverate of quality players and not being as crippled by injuries as in previous seasons. The style of play, in my opinion shows no improvement.

still 2nd, still in the CC, playing a better brand of rugby than us, so your point is???

I think that if we get into the play-offs and win a match the season would be a success, but it doesn't matter where in the 8 we finish.

It would be a failure if we were to finish 4th or 6th and lose both play-off matches.

even if we do or we dont win i would consider this season a success cause least we have reached it in three years

Really don't get this. Wigan, Warrington, Saints and Leeds all have comfortably better squads than us. The position we are in is probably about where we should be. The way we have gotten there is less than impressive though.

So finishing 8th in a 14 team league would be a success?

wow so we are finishing 8th now are we

2nd in the league and 160 minutes away from a succesful defence of the challenge cup

We should have reached the playoffs every one of those years, teams with ambition make a grand final and then kick on they don't go to the extremes of finishing as close to the bottom as possible.

no we shouldnt before this season started we had three terrible seasons

Does have the benefit of making any slight improvement look significant though

well said, some people will just accept mid table, a play off place, and be happy, not me, after the CC win and then the GF, we should have been a team that was contenders every year since!!

For us, finishing in the play offs is an expectation, not a sign of success.

If we finish 5th-8th and get knocked out in the first week of the playoff then the season is another failure for a club of our potential.

We finished 4th the season before agar took over

A succesful season imo is at least being contending one of the major finals on offer. We look only marginally (admittedly raised our game in a couple of games) better overall than last year. Losing to some of the lesser clubs (no disrespect but with our set up we do have advantages over a lot of clubs) is more frustration than anything else, is the playing standard on a downhill slope?

If we class a top 5 or 6 finish as succesful then our ambitions really are too low for a SL operation of our size. Already for next year we look in no better position than where we are now. Some people may see this and due to the lack of ambition, maybe not bother taking up season pass sales, sponsorship etc. Wigan will kick on no matter what tactics they pursue, Wire are on the up, Saints new stadium will be like breath of fresh air to them and Leeds are always going to be thereabouts in the foreseeable future. Clubs like ourselves, Huddersfield, HKR etc will continue to make the numbers up.

Ateotd, the core support want success on the pitch. The club are in a win win situation at present, 12,000 fans through the gate and no success yet still producing a profit? Surely with better recruitment on the coaching and playing roster and within the terms of the salary cap success helps mantain profit? Hull FC's problem is they dont have the relationship and contacts who can speak on behalf of the club and entice prime career players and coaches to the club.

I'd be happy if we finish 4th-6th and win 1 playoff game.

a limp slip down the table to 6th and a playoff defeat won't fill me with much optimism for 2011 though