Dowes: must be SL's least impressive forward, makes no meters what so ever. So what if he can manage 60/80mins a game...I'd rather have a prop playing for 10/20 (like Moa) and actually doing something. Great club servant, but several years past his best.

Radford: Knackered each week after 10mins, same lack of impact as Dowes. Players like Fitzgibbon do the same amount of work, but offer much more to the team. Also a joke of a captain, no enthusiasm or any attempt at rallying the players.

Cusack: Same as the above...yet its even worse because he fills a quota spot.

Horne: Complete spent force, I dread to think what inflated pay we are paying for him to look completely out of sorts in the halves. Fantastic servant to the club...but he simply isn't the pacey halfback with fantastic defense of pre-2008. If he is to stay he has to be given reduced salary and played as a utility squad player IMO. We can't carry a halfback who can't kick and who's only 'move' is a drop of the shoulder.

Tansey: Not impressed at all, plays 1 good game in 3. Looked great at Headingley the other week...but then had a complete mare again today. Tony used to make mistakes under the high ball, but at least he was physical enough to get out of trouble and not concede drop outs so often.

Hall: enough said on the other thread, totally out of his depth at SL level.

all the others I feel are good enough under a proper coach, or at least have the potential to be good players under a proper coach (such as Turner, Moa etc)

I would like to see a proven coach capable of coaching the current group of players that we have. We seem to have had a run of coaches that have coached natural instinct out of the players, and as such i think some players are not confident of playing what they see in fear of being made a scapegoat by agar and being dropped

The coach needs replacing but there are a number of players not good enough as well.

radford,dowes,hall,cusack,but would they be any better with a coach that will inspire?

agree there staffs, get rid of the coach first, then look at getting rid of the likes of Dowes, Radders, Cusack, Washy, Hall (have i missed anyone out?? lol) no good coach would retain them anyway!

Hall maybe, the rest a no no

No point in bringing in new players only for Agar to drain the ability out of them like he has done with 'his' team. May as well not bother.

I dont think he'd be good enough for a national team.

Spot on Kosh. Until Agar has gone we are just wasting our time. He's got the midas touch in reverse.

I do agree that Agar is a large part of it, but I don't think the above players are good enough for a top4 side anymore. All (except for Tansey who's obviously new) just haven't done it consistently for 2 years now.

My team when all fit would be...

1. Horne
2.Callderwood
3.Briscoe
4.Yeaman
5.Tansey
6.Turner
7.Long
8.OMeley
9.Houghton
10.Moa
11.Manu
12.Fitzgibbon
13.Whiting
14.Cusack
15.Mcshane
16.Washbrook
17.Luaki

drop the fekin lot of em and give the under 20s a chance....cant do any worse

No Berrigan?

Over rated over paid would rather have houghton and mcshane 2 for the price of 1

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

a coach with no ideas,, who is supposed to lead from the top is what we need,,the whole squad barring 2 didnt want to play today end of!!!

A winning mentality who players will actually respect

cusack,dowes,fitzgibbon,berrigan out
scruton,c smith,mateo,lms id all sign.
promote some youngsters obvious ones are nicklas,aldous and cunningham and im sure theres more.

id play horney at full back and drop tansey as a squadplayer.
berro is a great player and i really do rate him but the amount of times hes injured and is age id rather go out and get c smith whos the best hooker in the world and with the storm troubles at the mo theyd be willing to let him go.scruton and lms for the fairywinks in dowes and cusack very average these 2. and let fitz go great pro he is and puts 100% in everything he does but with him been a quota player id rather get mateo whos brilliant and can play either 6 or 13 and that then would allow whiting to go and play 13 that he deserves with washy as back up. long at 7, mateo at 6 and whiting 13 and horne at 1 that would be alot more creative and with tansey as back up as well when theres injuries which is very much certain.








oh yeh and wayne bennet for agar hahaha

He played 29 out of 32 games in 2008, 22 out of 28 last season and the first 11 games this season.

we might get lms.

fair enough that he played less games seems like it anyway but how many times over the last 2years has he played were hes 50% fit or needs injections ect ect weve just never seen the real best from berro as he always looks like hes half fit apart from the begining of this season but now hes injured. anyway id still rather let berro go and get cameron smith

I'd rather have slater, inglis, cronk and smith instead of lauaki, berrigan, cusack and fitz but lifes a bitch.

I'm guessing we have around £500k of salary cap sat in the stands with berrigan, long and fitzgibbon. What sort of idiot risks that much of the cap on 3 players over 30?

I agree with most of the sentiment on here except Berrigan who has clearly (for me) tried giving his all despite severe adversity. He has played when he has clearly not been fit. How many could or have said that over the past 3 seasons?

As always though I hope in this instance the club go with the cheap option and get rid of the coach. Far cheaper than cancelling half a dozen players contracts. Just so long as they don't appoint the great saviour "uncle Dennis" who has clearly brought the square root of FA with him from Australia.

!st Agar out - words are not enough

2nd

Cusack - nothing more than a plodding quota player
Radford - mediocrity personified
Dowes - worse than the above
Hall - a complete joke, should be in NL1
Washbrook - not good enough
Horne - spent force
Berrigan - salary and quota spot could be used much more effectively