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| [quote="Hasbag":4sb34qkx][quote="Jake the Peg":4sb34qkx]I can't see lane or fash leaving. I'm pretty sure they'll get new deals. Sao will come off the quota for 2026 so depends what kind of season he has but he's our 2nd best prop IMO, just needs to sort out his discipline which should be better if he and the rest of the team are fitter anyway. Also will be played solely at prop hopefully as he's not mobile enough for 2nd row[/quote:4sb34qkx]
I'm hoping that under Cartwright we see an improved version of Sao this season. On his day he can be a very good player. He just needs to focus on running straight and hard and not looking for an offload every single tackle. But mainly get his discipline sorted. I got the feeling last year a lot of his poor discipline and errors where through frustration over the teams poor displays (which yes, will be argued his errors and penalty's were contributing to). I think he was just trying to force plays or Big hits a bit too much to swing momentum or get something going. Like everything with the team last year, it just wasn't coming off. Big year coming up for him if he wants to earn a new deal, either at Hull or elsewhere.
I'm also willing to give Lane another year before totally giving up in him. There's a player in there and if Cartwright has improved fitness and conditioning he will be one of the lads to see a big benefit.[/quote:4sb34qkx]
Agree, for me every players that still here for 2025 gets a clean slate and a chance to prove themselves and rightly earn any further deals. The fall out of not just last season but the previous seasons and articles that we have seen this off season about how unprofessional and understaffed things where before takeover has without doubt been a big contributor to what we saw play out on the field.
Under a Head Coach that is disciplined and structured in his messages and the whole set up given a root and branch overhaul then its suggests that improvements will be made. Its now up to those players to show that they are not poor players without the frustrations.
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| [quote="Mild Rover":29pnfeif][quote="DSJ1983":29pnfeif]Have they actually broken any rules though? As far as I’m aware (up to know anyways) they haven’t missed payments to players or other clubs, not failed to fulfil any fixtures or obligations anything like that. All we really know is that they asked for an advance of the TV money and the RFL granted it but put them in special measures whatever that means.[/quote:29pnfeif]
responses to clubs going into administration or going under have always been… I suppose ‘ad hoc’ might be fair way of putting it? But, as you say, it didn’t come to that. Special measures is/was fair enough.
There’s maybe an issue around whether Salford were just optimistic in forecasting their revenue and were genuinely wrong-footed or if they weren’t as transparent as they should have been with IMG. If the latter, there’s maybe a case for an IMG penalty next time… but potential new owners will be well positioned to request a clean slate, as without them things get messy for the 2025 season.[/quote:29pnfeif]
In many ways that's akin to sweeping it under the carpet and not governing a sport correctly. For me special measures isn't and wouldn't be a sufficient punishment. The so called special measures so far have affectively been suspended due to no action being taken other than more meetings etc. Asking for an advance is one thing but it certainly seems to have been more than that and has put the up coming season in to the spotlight for all the wrong reasons. With less than a month to go before the season starts it's still up in the air in regards to Salford. I hope Salford do survive but there has to be lessons learned, action taken and consequences for Salford, RFL and IMG, if not what's the point in any of the rules etc the clubs have to follow?
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| In the article it specifically says “overseas investment” similar to London so it appears as though NRL is taking over Super League by stealth.
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| [quote="Chris71":35wbyg12]In many ways that's akin to sweeping it under the carpet and not governing a sport correctly. For me special measures isn't and wouldn't be a sufficient punishment. The so called special measures so far have affectively been suspended due to no action being taken other than more meetings etc. Asking for an advance is one thing but it certainly seems to have been more than that and has put the up coming season in to the spotlight for all the wrong reasons. With less than a month to go before the season starts it's still up in the air in regards to Salford. I hope Salford do survive but there has to be lessons learned, action taken and consequences for Salford, RFL and IMG, if not what's the point in any of the rules etc the clubs have to follow?[/quote:35wbyg12]
The problem is that just about any action that could be taken could be deemed as unfair or could create other problems. Or both.
I’m not even sure what the lessons we learn from this are, never mind the actions that should be taken. Several current and former clubs in SL have had much worse financial crises than this one at Salford - with wildly varying consequences.
Based on what we know, what would you recommend should be done in terms of punishment?
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| [quote="Chris71":1xju3v8u]In many ways that's akin to sweeping it under the carpet and not governing a sport correctly. For me special measures isn't and wouldn't be a sufficient punishment. The so called special measures so far have affectively been suspended due to no action being taken other than more meetings etc. Asking for an advance is one thing but it certainly seems to have been more than that and has put the up coming season in to the spotlight for all the wrong reasons. With less than a month to go before the season starts it's still up in the air in regards to Salford. I hope Salford do survive but there has to be lessons learned, action taken and consequences for Salford, RFL and IMG, if not what's the point in any of the rules etc the clubs have to follow?[/quote:1xju3v8u]
I can see what your saying with the start of the season in the air but until they break some kind of pre defined rule or go into administration I don’t see how they can be punished, as far as I know there’s no financial sustainability rules like in football, it’s hard to see what they’ve done wrong, assuming they can now pay the advance back and fulfil their obligations to the league. Maybe part of the agreement of them going into ‘special measures’ was to carry some kind of punishment but I doubt it.
Obviously lessons need to be learned but the only thing they can really do is introduce financial sustainability rules, trouble is every SL club would need to be punished because it appears nobody is running a sustainable business at the moment.
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| [quote="Mild Rover":2dbjxc4v]The problem is that just about any action that could be taken could be deemed as unfair or could create other problems. Or both.
I’m not even sure what the lessons we learn from this are, never mind the actions that should be taken. Several current and former clubs in SL have had much worse financial crises than this one at Salford - with wildly varying consequences.
Based on what we know, what would you recommend should be done in terms of punishment?[/quote:2dbjxc4v]
I know it’s a difficult one and let’s be honest they way things operate in this sport we will never the full details. I do think a minor pts deduction and possibly even some form of suspended fine for the 2025 season.
The sport really isn’t in a great position and this current situation paints the sport in pretty poor light. For this to come out so soon after the IMG gradings were announced I don’t think is a coincidence. For me the whole IMG grading system has proven to flawed somewhat if this can be allowed to happen.
Some form of financial sustainability needs to a part of a clubs responsibility as part of being in the SL. I guess that would just open up a can of worms but shows how poorly the sport is both governed and managed by the RFL and the Clubs themselves.
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