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| I felt it was all a little bit “meh” Wigan didn’t get out of 3rd gear because they didn’t have to and we continue to make the same basic errors that give away field position and possession.
I think the Miski try was in touch and the Havard try was comical in how bad it was.
We contained their strike players well but ultimately it was a drab and pretty lacklustre game with not much to get excited about from either side.
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| Well just got back from Wigan, what a lacklustre awful, boring game. Wigan controlled it yes but they were very disjointed in attack and didn't really convert the field position they had. We tried and had a dig but we simply lack quality but above all we lack pace. We create nothing and our game plan just seems to be side to side and easy to defend against. Proctors first spell was atrocious and he was blowing after 2 minutes atoni none existent. I thought pitts was our best forward with whitbred second. Bowes and eseh had a good dig but I just fail to see how we will score points. Our backs look slow, sluggish and lateral, lino offered nothing and the one break we did make through pitts no one went with him. The question is can we score enough points to win some games say 24 points and keep tje opposition under that, I simply can't see it. Il say it again they had a dig but offered nothing
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| Just seen the highlights, shocking defending.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"We won the second half'"
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| I’ve just read Applegarth’s post match comments saying the effort is there and that people are playing to their capabilities and he still thinks he can turn it around. Unfortunately for me the large majority of players capabilities are not of SL standard and will potentially be the worst ever team to have played in SL how our trajectory is going sadly.
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| Quote ="Pat Bateman"I’ve just read Applegarth’s post match comments saying the effort is there and that people are playing to their capabilities and he still thinks he can turn it around. Unfortunately for me the large majority of players capabilities are not of SL standard and will potentially be the worst ever team to have played in SL how our trajectory is going sadly.'"
And by the time we play our next game the 1st May deadline will have past and any out of contract and worth keeping will be signing up elsewhere pretty sharpish because lets be honest we aren't looking like being able to give them any job security.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"And by the time we play our next game the 1st May deadline will have past and any out of contract and worth keeping will be signing up elsewhere pretty sharpish because lets be honest we aren't looking like being able to give them any job security.'"
I can only see Lino, Tanginoa and Whitbread getting offers.
Plus the young guns like Eseh.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"And by the time we play our next game the 1st May deadline will have past and any out of contract and worth keeping will be signing up elsewhere pretty sharpish because lets be honest we aren't looking like being able to give them any job security.'"
Next year will be a complete rebuild in the championship, any players who can get SL gigs will, not too sure which players though on the showings this year.
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| I have to say, if Proctor and Atoni are as keen to get things working as they say, they both need to free up some quota and salary space.
They are adding nothing now.
If they are not fit by now they are never going to be fit.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I can only see Lino, Tanginoa and Whitbread getting offers.
Plus the young guns like Eseh.'"
Agree with that but they'll likely be others who get gigs as 'squad players', mainly due to the lack of numbers these days. Jowitt & Crowther still have time on their side and will likely get picked up, Langi i could see heading back to France and Kay's versatility might be useful to a smaller squad like Salford. Not much else though to be honest unless the promoted side take some.
Losing those promising youngsters will smart the most though.
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| Hopefully, if we do go down, we can sell first team rugby to the young ones.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I have to say, if Proctor and Atoni are as keen to get things working as they say, they both need to free up some quota and salary space.
They are adding nothing now.
If they are not fit by now they are never going to be fit.'"
Can’t see that happening at all unfortunately. Proctor is like the kiwi Chevy Chase doing his European Vacations at the moment and Atoni wouldn’t get a gig at Crigglestone All Blacks with his stats. Our dogger recruitment over the last few years has really come back to bite us. We have way too much dead wood with Lineham and co offering nothing what a standard championship player would, although that’s been disrespectful to those players.
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| Easy Pat. No fair on us at Crigglestone to associate that poop with us.
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| Why is Proctor, Atoni and Taufua anywhere near the match day squad of 17? They ought to be sent out on loan along with Lineham.
You’d hope that Bowden, Battye, Eseh and Whitbread would be the first choice props and that Senior would be the better option with his pace on the wing instead of Taufua.
Applegarth as coach has made terrible mistakes bringing in Proctor and Atoni.
Get a new coach at the end of the season and give them time to rebuild in the championship.
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| The problem for some with their fitness is that they are carrying far too much hair. It’s clear to see, well unless it starts to rain. They hair cannot help with the aerodynamics and must clearly slow them down.
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Why is Proctor, Atoni and Taufua anywhere near the match day squad of 17? They ought to be sent out on loan along with Lineham.
You’d hope that Bowden, Battye, Eseh and Whitbread would be the first choice props and that Senior would be the better option with his pace on the wing instead of Taufua.
Applegarth as coach has made terrible mistakes bringing in Proctor and Atoni.
Get a new coach at the end of the season and give them time to rebuild in the championship.'"
Problem with the first bit is somebody has to want them. Can’t see why anyone would.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Agree with that but they'll likely be others who get gigs as 'squad players', mainly due to the lack of numbers these days. Jowitt & Crowther still have time on their side and will likely get picked up, Langi i could see heading back to France and Kay's versatility might be useful to a smaller squad like Salford. Not much else though to be honest unless the promoted side take some.
Losing those promising youngsters will smart the most though.'"
The youngsters are the key part…
If we get relegated are we not entitled to any compensation under the homegrown rules for Eseh/Bowes/Pratt/Windrow etc.
To be perfectly honest if we do end up in the championship I’m hoping these lads are the ones that make up part of the team next season. We wouldn’t just lose them for free surely after the effort of developing them?
If we do end up relegated we absolutely must stay full time like Fev and look to top the league. We would have similar/more crowds than Fev and likely more earning potential outside game day with new facilities.
I agree though it would hurt the most losing the young players and it would be an absolute travesty if we couldn’t maintain the elite academy. The super league and championship is absolutely littered with trinity ex academy players. It’s actually one thing we get right.
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Why is Proctor, Atoni and Taufua anywhere near the match day squad of 17? They ought to be sent out on loan along with Lineham.
You’d hope that Bowden, Battye, Eseh and Whitbread would be the first choice props and that Senior would be the better option with his pace on the wing instead of Taufua.
Applegarth as coach has made terrible mistakes bringing in Proctor and Atoni.
Get a new coach at the end of the season and give them time to rebuild in the championship.'"
Why wait till end of season ,get the new coach in now .One that can rebuild a team
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| Think somebody quoted earlier that carter chose applegarth as probably easy to manipulate.That surely must be the only reason the big earners are in,because even the coach must see with the stats how shocking they are.Also when we played leigh & the superleague show was there funny how mr carter missed a chance to be on tv. probably couldn't explain whats goin on, although an appearance would have been nice to let the fans know.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I have to say, if Proctor and Atoni are as keen to get things working as they say, they both need to free up some quota and salary space.
They are adding nothing now.
If they are not fit by now they are never going to be fit.'"
I agree they should go back to Aus and for Proctor to retire and acknowledge that he can no longer perform to the levels required.
Surely Rob Butler’s stats are at least as good as Proctor and Atoni?
Should go with Whitbread, Bowden, Battye and Eseh as first choice props for the rest of the season and just get a little consistency in the pack.
Keep Pitts at loose forward and sell Tanginoa to Warrington before he goes for free at the end of the season as the team is already relegated and the few thousand quid from the sale can be invested in promising local talent for next season.
Play Bowes at 9 with Hood and Smith as back up.
Put Kay back to the wing as he’s got some pace and it’s where he’s been a success for most of his career.
Send Taufua out on loan to Championship.
Get Croft back and play him at centre alongside Langi who has offered more than Lynne who appears spent.
Hopefully Trinity get Milnes on loan for the rest of the season and who knows maybe get to keep him next season for the Championship.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"The youngsters are the key part…
If we get relegated are we not entitled to any compensation under the homegrown rules for Eseh/Bowes/Pratt/Windrow etc.
To be perfectly honest if we do end up in the championship I’m hoping these lads are the ones that make up part of the team next season. We wouldn’t just lose them for free surely after the effort of developing them?
If we do end up relegated we absolutely must stay full time like Fev and look to top the league. We would have similar/more crowds than Fev and likely more earning potential outside game day with new facilities.
I agree though it would hurt the most losing the young players and it would be an absolute travesty if we couldn’t maintain the elite academy. The super league and championship is absolutely littered with trinity ex academy players. It’s actually one thing we get right.'"
All about the contract detail as all super league contracts have a relegation clause, meaning they are null & void on when we go down. To maintain any compensation claims there are rules about offering more favourable terms, non-material changes, when the deal is offered etc. It’s a bit of a legal minefield that savvy agents can take advantage on. Then there is the option of lower league rugby in Australia for a year. A few of our lads peers have already done that and they may fancy it themselves, and we don’t get anything if they do that. Hopefully it works out but there is no guarantee we get paid out as we’ve already seen with Croft & Shaw. For the record Bowes will have gone beyond the cut off date anyway so he is free to do as he pleases from 1st May.
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| Well we are still paying Shaw, surely it would have been better to offer him a decent contract and play him instead of our overseas rubbish. Far cheaper too.
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| Isn't it the point that Croft and Shaw wanted out anyway?
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Isn't it the point that Croft and Shaw wanted out anyway?'"
Mainly due to the pittence they were offered.
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