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| You're wrong poptart. This fiasco is down to incompitence by whoever signed up to the deal. Usually the player would pay the agent an agreed percentage over the period of his contract on a monthly basis. Wakefield trinity in this case have agreed to pay the agents fees and the player will receive his salary and not have to pay his fee by the sounds of this it is up to the player to pay his agents wages and I can't believe the club have been persuaded in to doing so on their behalf. Complete madness and another small reason as to why were in the mess that were in.
The only other way the club could have to pay the agent is if they have recruited one to sign players for them (basically an agent acting for the club rather than a player, he can only do one or the other by law ie be a player agent or a club agent). I very much doubt this is the case as probably 90% of players ha van agent nowadays.
All in all it's the fault of the club for agreeing to this and a pretty smart move by the agents that will keep their client extremely happy indeed!
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"You're wrong poptart. This fiasco is down to incompitence by whoever signed up to the deal. Usually the player would pay the agent an agreed percentage over the period of his contract on a monthly basis. Wakefield trinity in this case have agreed to pay the agents fees and the player will receive his salary and not have to pay his fee by the sounds of this it is up to the player to pay his agents wages and I can't believe the club have been persuaded in to doing so on their behalf. Complete madness and another small reason as to why were in the mess that were in.
The only other way the club could have to pay the agent is if they have recruited one to sign players for them (basically an agent acting for the club rather than a player, he can only do one or the other by law ie be a player agent or a club agent). I very much doubt this is the case as probably 90% of players ha van agent nowadays.
All in all it's the fault of the club for agreeing to this and a pretty smart move by the agents that will keep their client extremely happy indeed!'"
If the club didn't agree to pay the agent then its likely the agent will have directed the player elsewhere.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"You're wrong poptart. [uThis fiasco is down to incompitence by whoever signed up to the deal.[/u Usually the player would pay the agent an agreed percentage over the period of his contract on a monthly basis. Wakefield trinity in this case have agreed to pay the agents fees and the player will receive his salary and not have to pay his fee by the sounds of this [uit is up to the player to pay his agents wages and I can't believe the club have been persuaded in to doing so on their behalf. Complete madness and another small reason as to why were in the mess that were in. [/u
The only other way the club could have to pay the agent is if they have recruited one to sign players for them (basically an agent acting for the club rather than a player, he can only do one or the other by law ie be a player agent or a club agent). I very much doubt this is the case as probably 90% of players ha van agent nowadays.
All in all it's the fault of the club for agreeing to this and a pretty smart move by the agents that will keep their client extremely happy indeed!'"
This to my knowledge this is the truth and the buck stops with Elston AGAIN still lets overlook the mess we are in and pretend its not happening, its for the best.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"If the club didn't agree to pay the agent then its likely the agent will have directed the player elsewhere.'"
Hardly! No other club would do this and with deals that were being handed out the players we got wouldn't have commanded their wages at any other club. I'm not slating the players as the vast majority have done a fine job but also quite a few have been over paid for doing so. Once again JE messed up and proved to the doubters they were right and he was out his depth. The club was being run like a shambles but hey ho let's forgive and forget. The players signed will have been laughing their asses off. It's madness
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| I can hear Justin Poore laughing from Ossett and he's back in Aus.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"
All in all it's the fault of the club for agreeing to this and a pretty smart move by the agents that will keep their client extremely happy indeed!'"
Tell you what, it would be an even smarter move by the agent that got a fee from both parties, the player and the club
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| Does it mater who needs paying? they have to be paid, MC can moan about agents wanting paying but the club owes them money simple as.
If he hadn't been paid for a job would he not want paying?
Pay what you owe SIMPLE
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| Which I'm doing? I didn't moan about it, I said that some suppliers were screaming. Shall I go to the magic money tree to pay them?
And I don't get paid for this job
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| Quote ="Daddycool"Which I'm doing? I didn't moan about it, I said that some suppliers were screaming. [uShall I go to the magic money tree to pay them?[/u
And I don't get paid for this job'"
You should not have said that, some on here will believe that you have got one
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| Quote ="Daddycool"Which I'm doing? I didn't moan about it, I said that some suppliers were screaming. Shall I go to the magic money tree to pay them?
And I don't get paid for this job'"
Genuine question here for Mr Carter, at what point do you see the corner being turned. I know this is going to sound very negative but the season ticket sales seem to have fallen on their Harris, as you say people are screaming to be paid, you have the loan from the RFL which I am guessing will be just a sub on next years sky money, your coming into the most barron 4 months of the year and that is just the things I can think of off the top of my head so when and how do you see the upturn comeing.
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| Quote ="tigerman1"Quote ="Daddycool"Which I'm doing? I didn't moan about it, I said that some suppliers were screaming. Shall I go to the magic money tree to pay them?
And I don't get paid for this job'"
Genuine question here for Mr Carter, at what point do you see the corner being turned. I know this is going to sound very negative but the season ticket sales seem to have fallen on their Harris, as you say people are screaming to be paid, you have the loan from the RFL which I am guessing will be just a sub on next years sky money, your coming into the most barron 4 months of the year and that is just the things I can think of off the top of my head so when and how do you see the upturn comeing.'"
I would say that this is the sort of question that MC would not like to answer/ get drawn into on a forum.
This can be answered through the correct channels.
Unless you are 'Nosey' Parker looking for a scoop?
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| Quote ="FickleFingerOfFate"I would say that this is the sort of question that MC would not like to answer/ get drawn into on a forum.
This can be answered through the correct channels.
Unless you are 'Nosey' Parker looking for a scoop?
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Damn I'v been rummbled, seriousley though I would as I am sure many others would like to know where he sees the upturn coming from. Because in all fairness to the guy he must see a future somewhere or why else would he have put his home on the line, obviously I have no idea of the day to day running of your club but as an outsider looking in I dont see any sort of silver lineing any time soon.
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| the club still has assets which it could sell to pay what's owed to them, i'm not surprised they are screaming.
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| How much are you "owed"?
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| Plenty of future at Wakefield new stadium, actively seeking new investment and sponsorship still plenty of time to shift them season tickets snd plenty of twists and turns no doubt in store for our great club. You never known the time the season starts we might be in a better position than a few of of our sl rivals
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"How much are you "owed"?'"
I am owed nothing but this is a public forum which I am allowed to voice my opinion.
Don't like it? Tough
But why is everyone looking at this as tho its only the club that's suffering? the club not paying what it owes could result in other business going under. it has a big knock on effect.
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| Quote ="swones"I am owed nothing but this is a public forum which I am allowed to voice my opinion.
Don't like it? Tough'"
Ooooooh, is it? I'm sorry if I upset you, petal.
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| But we are paying them? Which is why money is tight? So don't put that we aren't paying suppliers. And we have new revenue streams for next year. They just don't bring instant cash
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| Quote ="swones"the club still has assets which it could sell to pay what's owed to them, i'm not surprised they are screaming.'"
MC is going to consult with Bradford on how to keep hold of your assets when the wolf is at the door!
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"Ooooooh, is it? I'm sorry if I upset you, petal.'"
who's upset flower not me?
If as you state all is being paid why are you saying people are screaming for payments?! if they are being paid put a spin on that they are getting paid.
I for one will be interested to see if the masses who said they will invest once JE has gone will come forward.
Is JE and DL still land lords for many players and taking money out of the club?!
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| Quote ="swones"If as you state all is being paid why are you saying people are screaming for payments?! '"
Sorry sweetheart, you'll have to help me out on this one. Where did I state this?
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| No I said it. Lots are screaming. We are dealing with them as fast as we can. Money in. Money straight out. No one has been told they aren't getting paid though. It may take a while but we' ll pay the lot. Is that positive news?
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| Good man. Think a few on here need to give their heads a shake for being so damned rude to someone who has put their house on the line to keep the club alive, ashamed.
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| Quote ="Daddycool"No I said it. Lots are screaming. We are dealing with them as fast as we can. Money in. Money straight out. No one has been told they aren't getting paid though. It may take a while but we' ll pay the lot. Is that positive news?'"
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Just read the Micheal Carter interview in the WE where he states people are screaming for payment.
Interestingly the ones who he claims are screaming the loudest are those parasites that call themselves players agents. I can't believe we have been daft enough to agree to pay the fees of those parasites when we have signed their players.
Let them scream long and hard Mr Carter and leave them at the bottom of the pile.'"
Just to clarify some agents really do look out for the best interest of the players, we are not all 'parasites' although I do agree some act in such a way that the name would fit.
There are 2 types of agents ones that clubs hire to find players and then pay directly, others that are paid by the players, you need to remember no one puts a gun to a players head to have an agent and its a legitimate business regulated by the RFL.
Our agency is a little different and this part of the reason that we got into it, We charge by far the lowest percentage we offer discounted services for our guys through our partners which we have worked very hard to source, and we also offer a route into further education/apprenticeships for young lads being released by Superleague clubs, because once its known they wont make it they are generally chucked onto the scrap heap.
We are in this to make a little bit of money of course but also to make a difference, so please don't tar us all with the same brush.
We are Wakefield fans too so hopefully we can unearth the next Billy Slater and give MC a call
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