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| My only concern is that good quality British halves are as rare as rocking horse poop and Southernwood does look like he has the potential to become one of those.
I think he has a big future in the game and while to be fair I know little of Hyde he will have to be a very good player to be worth releasing Southernwood for.
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| Cain would have found it difficult to oust out Jeffries/this season and Jeffries/Finch/Thurston next season...
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| Quote ="jonh"My only concern is that good quality British halves are as rare as rocking horse poop and Southernwood does look like he has the potential to become one of those.
I think he has a big future in the game and while to be fair I know little of Hyde he will have to be a very good player to be worth releasing Southernwood for.'"
Many have said he has the ability but his attitude stinks. If what MOPSEY says is true then Bradford will have their work cut out turning him into the player his potential deserves. Granted all HB's need a little bit of arrogance and cockiness but if he was refusing to follow team instructions and getting ahead of his station with what he thinks he's worth then he can have all the ability in the world he will find his path to the very top difficult.
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| Quote ="MrBigStuff"Cain would have found it difficult to oust out Jeffries/this season and Jeffries/Finch/Thurston next season...'"
Iagree with the fact that he would have struggled to oust jeffries. I can only hope and pray that next year he would have been struggeling to oust Thurston.
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| Quote ="mwildcats"How can letting go off 1 of our most promising youngsters we've had in a while be good for the club.
Trust them..... some people have to earn it, and the bod haven't.
Jk's worked miracles but there will be a time when the miracle we need wont arise, the efforts won't suffice
As you can tell im not in an optimistic mood.'"
If I were to say the club consider it to be getting rid - what does that tell you?
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Many have said he has the ability but his attitude stinks. If what MOPSEY says is true then Bradford will have their work cut out turning him into the player his potential deserves. Granted all HB's need a little bit of arrogance and cockiness but if he was refusing to follow team instructions and getting ahead of his station with what he thinks he's worth then he can have all the ability in the world he will find his path to the very top difficult.'"
That's what I hear.
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| Quote ="vastman"If I were to say the club consider it to be getting rid - what does that tell you?'"
We got rid?
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| Quote ="mwildcats"We got rid?
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Seems that way in a sense with the offer of a contract been revoked.
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| Not another half back who was more trouble than what he's worth????
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| His comments re: not being happy at Wakey make me think its good riddance to be honest.
If they aren't happy bye bye
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| Quote ="Wildthing"His comments re: not being happy at Wakey make me think its good riddance to be honest.
If they aren't happy bye bye
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I'd agree, if a player thinks the grass is greener and that they're better off elsewhere, there is little point in keeping them, particularly if their contract is running out.
One thing that does puzzle me slightly though is Kear's statement that we have a lot of players in Southernwood's position.
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| Quote ="bloomers"I'd agree, if a player thinks the grass is greener and that they're better off elsewhere, there is little point in keeping them, particularly if their contract is running out.
One thing that does puzzle me slightly though is Kear's statement [uthat we have a lot of players in Southernwood's position.'" [/u
probably just means that are wanting to leave.
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| Quote ="bloomers"I'd agree, if a player thinks the grass is greener and that they're better off elsewhere, there is little point in keeping them, particularly if their contract is running out.
One thing that does puzzle me slightly though is Kear's statement that we have a lot of players in Southernwood's position.'"
BJ, Obst, Cooke, Wildie, Davey (who has played there for the reserves I think), Hyde (the new guy coming in from Bradford) can play there apparently.
I wouldn't say we were short of options.
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| I think Cain has developed ideas above his staton, he's seen the departure of Danny Brough and when he was'nt immediately elevated to the 1st team it has increased his sense of being underappreciated.
He also has some misleading examples to look to when trying to fathom his stalled rise to 1st team selection, ie. his dad and uncle, who were promoted to 1st team at Cas at a very early age, that was then and this is now Cain!
I don't think Cain is physicaly strong enough for SL yet and I can use myself as an example, I was 17 yrs and 3 days old when I played stand off at 1st team level, I was 6'0" and 14st 7Ibs and I struggled with the physicality of long term expsure to that standard of footall. Cain is nowhere near being physicaly developed for the top tier of Rugby League, another example comes from the recent Wests v Parra game where Phil Gould comments on the stunted career of Benji Marshall. Injuries caused Mrshalls career to wain and those injuries were due to his body being ill prepared for the exposure to the NRL. six Knee and two shoulder reconstructions later, whilst his brilliance has never been in question, he is only now beginning to cope with the physicality of the game.
Cain will have to learn and learn quick that he needs to be part of a team and that he will have to wait until the coaches think he's ready hwether he agrees with them or not, if he can't do this then the next kid behind him will get there first.
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| Been told today that Hyde is pretty close to SL ready, where as southernwood was probably a season or more behind!!!
Also a good attitude!
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| Quote ="Fordy"BJ, Obst, Cooke, Wildie, Davey (who has played there for the reserves I think), Hyde (the new guy coming in from Bradford) can play there apparently.
I wouldn't say we were short of options.'"
I don't think we are short of options as such, I just don't think we are have them beating down the door to play in the halves.
Those players are expected to cover 6, 7 and 9 and many of them either prefer hooker, or have at least been used there for so long it is now their default position.
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| Quote ="The Clan"I think Cain has developed ideas above his staton, he's seen the departure of Danny Brough and when he was'nt immediately elevated to the 1st team it has increased his sense of being underappreciated.
He also has some misleading examples to look to when trying to fathom his stalled rise to 1st team selection, ie. his dad and uncle, who were promoted to 1st team at Cas at a very early age, that was then and this is now Cain!
I don't think Cain is physicaly strong enough for SL yet and I can use myself as an example, I was 17 yrs and 3 days old when I played stand off at 1st team level, I was 6'0" and 14st 7Ibs and I struggled with the physicality of long term expsure to that standard of footall. Cain is nowhere near being physicaly developed for the top tier of Rugby League, another example comes from the recent Wests v Parra game where Phil Gould comments on the stunted career of Benji Marshall. Injuries caused Mrshalls career to wain and those injuries were due to his body being ill prepared for the exposure to the NRL. six Knee and two shoulder reconstructions later, whilst his brilliance has never been in question, he is only now beginning to cope with the physicality of the game.
Cain will have to learn and learn quick that he needs to be part of a team and that he will have to wait until the coaches think he's ready hwether he agrees with them or not, if he can't do this then the next kid behind him will get there first.'"
thanks for that..since when are we dictated to by a 17 year old not even been there yet?
would love to know why southernwood was the only person to attend the season launch, anybody in the know please explain!
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| this is a poor deal!
very poor!
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| Quote ="underground"this is a poor deal!
very poor!'"
why???
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| Watch the relative development of their careers over the next few years and we will discuss why!
Injury aside... Southernwood will develop into interational class... Hyde will be playing amateur rugby within 2 years. The gulf in class is huge!
awful deal!
but hey thats just one mans opinion... hope to god I am wrong!
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| Quote ="underground"Watch the relative development of their careers over the next few years and we will discuss why!
Injury aside... Southernwood will develop into interational class... Hyde will be playing amateur rugby within 2 years. The gulf in class is huge!
awful deal!
but hey thats just one mans opinion... hope to god I am wrong!'" having seen Southernwood play their is something there to develop as he ages but what makes you think Hyde will be in amateur rugby within 2 years have you been following his career or is this on here say,
I too would of like he to stay but if he has the urge to move on you can't stop them as good as they are, money talks but we've not really got a bulging wallet have we
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thanks for that..since when are we dictated to by a 17 year old not even been there yet?
would love to know why southernwood was the only person to attend the season launch, anybody in the know please explain!'"
Beans told me he was with the England Academy set up doing some fitness testing.............
That could be bow locks though
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