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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Yep I know that but if the teddy is out shall we say someone from another club may be able to sort that out!'"
Dave Fafita was the best prop SL, and a player that every SL club would have gladly had in their colours. The problem for him is that my comments are past tense.
When I've seen him, which won't be as often as any of you folk, he's been nowhere near fit. I cannot recall watching a fit and firing on all cylinders Dave Fifita for at least 18 months, and I draw comparison to Ben Murdoch-Masila, who has not been the player he was at Salford.
A pity that it appears that his stay at Trinity is over, but I think the tone of most posts on this thread are of the opinion that he's no longer the value for money that he was.
I've no qualms with BM-M moving on, but would not look to DF as his replacement (though much stranger things have happened, as the saying goes).
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| You can see it though - Fifita gets a move and then works his knackers off to get into shape, look at Pauli Pauli.
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| The crucial sentence for me is the reference to him refusing to wear GPS in the past. It sounds like he has a problem with GPS for reasons that are only known to him, something which the club has tolerated in the past. Dave hasn't changed his stance, it would appear. It has become compulsory, that's all.
What I recall from before the resumption is that MC commented that a couple of players are not agreeing to the paycuts that everyone else has tolerated, for the good of the club and also for the good of the game, and one would surprise everyone. It was also apparent that Fifita was one of the last ones to agree terms. Draw whatever conclusions you want from that.
Every player has a value, measured against what they bring to the club. That is why some players get away with more things than others, because they bring added value. I can't help wondering whether the club has decided that despite what he has been capable of on the pitch, he has become a luxury they can do without, particularly as what he brings on the pitch isn't quite what it was.
He is at the end of his career. He could see it out with us, but he is bound to wonder whether there is one final stint somewhere else. Somewhere hotter, or a bigger club, or closer to home. Arguably, choosing to see it out with us would be the laziest of the options and perhaps we wouldn't get the best out of him as he sees out his career, the contract in the bank.
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| Quote ="Willzay"You can see it though - Fifita gets a move and then works his knackers off to get into shape, look at Pauli Pauli.'"
My eyes must be worse than I thought because I thought that there was no difference at all regarding Paulis weight.
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| I wonder why Kay was not stood down indefinitely because his offence could be considered a breach of the protocols put in place by the club.
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| I really don't get this rose tinted Pauli Pauli thing?? He looks no different shape wise and effort wise than he did for us towards the end of his stint.
He'll be on TV at 6.30 tonight. Lets see. ![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif)
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I wonder why Kay was not stood down indefinitely because his offence could be considered a breach of the protocols put in place by the club.'"
What offence has Kay committed. There’s no indication he has the virus. The club statement states, “Liam Kay has had to stand down, due to a family situation where he has been told he must self-isolate and will not be available for 14 days.” I don’t know his situation, and I doubt you do.
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| Quote ="Alchemist1"Player exchange'"
Hope it’s not George Burgess
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Hope it’s not George Burgess'" Liam Sutcliffe ?
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"What offence has Kay committed. There’s no indication he has the virus. The club statement states, “Liam Kay has had to stand down, due to a family situation where he has been told he must self-isolate and will not be available for 14 days.” I don’t know his situation, and I doubt you do.'"
Must be his offensive pony tail! ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="snowie"Liam Sutcliffe ?'"
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| Fifita does not have the virus and remained in the bubble. His crime was to remove his GPS I am sure Kay doesn’t have the virus but must have been around someone who has within his family. To be technical his action could have put more team members at risk than Fifita, hence my question why an indefinite period for one when his offence one presumes would be 14 days isolation and not the other.
It is the ambiguity I question, if you know why please enlighten us. I wonder if Fifita’s salary is reduced or stopped during a breach like this.
On the subject of transfer fees why should we not demand one Castleford did for Gale and St Helens did for Richardson, so not quite so rare when it comes to what a club would consider to be a major part of their team.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Fifita does not have the virus and remained in the bubble. His crime was to remove his GPS I am sure Kay doesn’t have the virus but must have been around someone who has within his family. To be technical his action could have put more team members at risk than Fifita, hence my question why an indefinite period for one when his offence one presumes would be 14 days isolation and not the other.
It is the ambiguity I question, if you know why please enlighten us. I wonder if Fifita’s salary is reduced or stopped during a breach like this.
On the subject of transfer fees why should we not demand one Castleford did for Gale and St Helens did for Richardson, so not quite so rare when it comes to what a club would consider to be a major part of their team.'"
You do realise the players are in a training and players bubble outside of that they are with their families unlike some other sports and countries. You really do seek to find a negative out of everything don't you. One of the most negative fans I have seen post across these boards.
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"You do realise the players are in a training and players bubble outside of that they are with their families unlike some other sports and countries. You really do seek to find a negative out of everything don't you. One of the most negative fans I have seen post across these boards.'"
Woooo......that’s a bit harsh RW+B ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Fifita does not have the virus and remained in the bubble. His crime was to remove his GPS I am sure Kay doesn’t have the virus but must have been around someone who has within his family. To be technical his action could have put more team members at risk than Fifita, hence my question why an indefinite period for one when his offence one presumes would be 14 days isolation and not the other.
It is the ambiguity I question, if you know why please enlighten us. I wonder if Fifita’s salary is reduced or stopped during a breach like this.
On the subject of transfer fees why should we not demand one Castleford did for Gale and St Helens did for Richardson, so not quite so rare when it comes to what a club would consider to be a major part of their team.'"
Great that you are 'sure' and that you know what 'must have' happened but the reality is we have certain guidelines to follow as a sport to make sure we are allowed to continue as a sport.
It's not just about catching the virus, which is a terrible thing in itself, and the GPS procedure is designed to protect the team and extended family, it is also about keeping the team and sport going. It's irresponsible to go your own way.
It shows lack of respect to his team mates, the club and the sport.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"I really don't get this rose tinted Pauli Pauli thing?? He looks no different shape wise and effort wise than he did for us towards the end of his stint.
He'll be on TV at 6.30 tonight. Lets see.
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Strolled around the pitch and avoided work really well so far! Has he even taken the ball in?
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| Quote ="upthecats"Strolled around the pitch and avoided work really well so far! Has he even taken the ball in?'"
Absolute waste of a shirt , body of a giant heart of a pea
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Absolute waste of a shirt , body of a giant heart of a pea'"
One of the laziest players I’ve ever seen, my 86 year old dad would get through more work ![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif)
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| Quote ="upthecats"Strolled around the pitch and avoided work really well so far! Has he even taken the ball in?'"
Exactly what I said to the wife...think I saw him carry it in once ??
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| Quote ="FIL"Exactly what I said to the wife...think I saw him carry it in once ??'"
You make the wife watch Leeds?
She must be in the bad books.
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"One of the laziest players I’ve ever seen, my 86 year old dad would get through more work
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Hey!! I heard that, son. ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
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| Quote ="Redscat"Hey!! I heard that, son.
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He used to say the same when Pauli was at Wakefield RC so I know he’ll be saying it now.
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| Of course I am sure Kay was tested Monday according to the CEO so I guessed that would suggest he was clear. You call me negative, I say realist, I consider you too acceptable of all things coming from and relating to the club.
I suppose only time will tell but how many more poor performances will the supporters put up with beyond the forum bubble.
I hope you will not be surprised if there are negative posts after tomorrow’s game if we perform how we have. I know you can try the excuse that we had players missing or that it was done for the greater good unfortunately that appears not to be a stance taken by any other club. I suppose they consider that the performance on the field outweighs any kudos from Super League hence they prefer to field the best team possible once they are clear of the two week quarantine.
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| Quote ="Willzay"You can see it though - Fifita gets a move and then works his knackers off to get into shape, look at Pauli Pauli.'"
So we all had a good look at Pauli Pauli tonight and saw nothing new.
I also saw Tui Lolohea look about the same size as PP. WTF?
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