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| The shame is it started off so well with an impeccable minutes silence.
I guess some just get carried away but I didn't see or hear and problem from either set.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Surprised Humphrey is not here to stick up for his mates again.
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My mates weren't there on Saturday but thank you for caring
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| Just heard the RFL are now investigating on local news.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"You are right that complaints should be taken seriously but, group's of BOTH sets of supporters were as daft as each other.
I don't condone the chanting by the Wakefield fans but the "banter" (I think that's the modern phrase for insulting someone) was going in both
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So lets root out the culprits and deal with them.
Having said that, there were several hundred Bulls fans (women and children included) joining in with the "same family" chant, or was that one ok because there weren't any expletives in it.
What message does that send out to the families that were at the game
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Some of the chanting started off as a banter but it definitely overstepped what I would consider as 'banter'. As I've previously posted, I don't expect not to hear a few expletives from the crowd in the heat of the moment and I'm as guilty as anyone for that. And I can't tell you why the drummer group insist on signing the 'you're all one family' I'm certainly not condoning it and I wish they'd just concentrate on getting behind the team.
But there is a very clear line that has been crossed when the chants become racial and whilst I didn't personally notice the song about the Bradford fire that is also very clearly beyond 'banter'. I don't think you can label the above as 'fans just being daft'.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Some of the chanting started off as a banter but it definitely overstepped what I would consider as 'banter'. As I've previously posted, I don't expect not to hear a few expletives from the crowd in the heat of the moment and I'm as guilty as anyone for that. And I can't tell you why the drummer group insist on signing the 'you're all one family' I'm certainly not condoning it and I wish they'd just concentrate on getting behind the team.
But there is a very clear line that has been crossed when the chants become racial and whilst I didn't personally notice the song about the Bradford fire that is also very clearly beyond 'banter'. I don't think you can label the above as 'fans just being daft'.'"
I totally agree with you although like you, I didn't hear any racial chants or anything about the Bradford fire, so we will have to leave that for someone else to look at.
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| Funny that the first group complaining never mentioned Bradford Fire songs.
If true that is awful but I imagine it's exaggerated for effect.
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| I was stood in the north stand on Saturday with the bulls fans and have never heard chanting like it, bringing race into a rugby match is appalling and I was one of the bulls fans 'getting in the ear' of your much esteemed stewards who did nothing. I am very pleased to see the rfl and Wakefield are taking this seriously as I for one will not be returning to your stadium unless those responsible are dealt with.
Yes there was 'banter' flying back and forth and some bad language used, which does happen at all grounds and was equally evident from Bradford fans as it was Wakefield. However there is no excuse for racism, and that is what was heard by a small number of your fans, luckily we managed to catch this on film which has been sent to your club to assist in their investigation.
Hopefully this will be sorted quickly by your club meaning this won't be repeated as there really is no place for this in society, let alone at a rugby match.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Funny that the first group complaining never mentioned Bradford Fire songs.
If true that is awful but I imagine it's exaggerated for effect.'"
This was a group of no more than 5 fans - the other Wakefield fans around us vocally distanced themselves from this and agreed that they should be ejected.
Don't think anyone is suggesting this is a problem with wakey fans, more that a few individuals have attempted to ruin the match for others and need to be banned before giving a poor impression of the club and RL as a sport.
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| Quote ="Ellen"I was stood in the north stand on Saturday with the bulls fans and have never heard chanting like it, bringing race into a rugby match is appalling and I was one of the bulls fans 'getting in the ear' of your much esteemed stewards who did nothing. I am very pleased to see the rfl and Wakefield are taking this seriously as I for one will not be returning to your stadium unless those responsible are dealt with.
Yes there was 'banter' flying back and forth and some bad language used, which does happen at all grounds and was equally evident from Bradford fans as it was Wakefield. However there is no excuse for racism, and that is what was heard by a small number of your fans, luckily we managed to catch this on film which has been sent to your club to assist in their investigation.
Hopefully this will be sorted quickly by your club meaning this won't be repeated as there really is no place for this in society, let alone at a rugby match.'"
You will have also filmed the Bradford fans abusing Wakefield fans then won't you. If Bradford had have been directed to the western terrace like most away fans this season this wouldn't have happened. Think this will see the end of away fans in The north stand to prevent this kind of thing happening.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"You will have also filmed the Bradford fans abusing Wakefield fans then won't you. If Bradford had have been directed to the western terrace like most away fans this season this wouldn't have happened. Think this will see the end of away fans in The north stand to prevent this kind of thing happening.'"
As I've made clear it's the racism that is the problem, if any Bradford fans did make any comments of that nature I sincerely hope they are caught and banned for life and if I'd heard that I would have got them on camera And reported it to both clubs. It is simply unacceptable for anyone in any context to use such language.
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| Quote ="Ellen"As I've made clear it's the racism that is the problem, if any Bradford fans did make any comments of that nature I sincerely hope they are caught and banned for life and if I'd heard that I would have got them on camera And reported it to both clubs. It is simply unacceptable for anyone in any context to use such language.'"
So all abuse towards Wakefield and about Wakefield is allowed then.
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| And now we start to get to the truth - 4 or 5 people overstepped the mark; very easy to deal with and absolutely no need for a self-flagellating pubic apology, a flurry of faux internet outrage, or a wide-ranging RFL investigation.
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| The covered area in the north stand needs to be segregated. nearly every game now we get supporters of the away team trying to "take it over", and these are usually not the family supporters but the idiot brigade.
the entire rest of the stadium could still be accessible to all, then anyone who particularly wanted to stand behind the posts could do so on the bottom tier, and any home supporters wishing to use the western terrace could as well.
This is just the latest incident and its only a matter of time before something kicks off in there unless the club actually comes up with a policy and implements it properly.
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| If I went to an away match into a clubs main end where their more boisterous fans stand and start abusing their club and city I would expect abuse back, that how it is and as always been and people must live very sheltered lives if they think any different.
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| nWe have never had segregation before prior to this season and I don't remember us being involved in so many RFL investigations as this season. I do not see the correlation between no segregation and the increase in crowd trouble.
I would think by sticking them all together will just increase the problems because it is not the proximity of the away supporters but the fact that there are away supporters. I suppose to ensure no further problems ban away supporters and you will find the trouble will go away. I would remind people that this is all hyperthefticall because we don't know the structure of the ground for next season.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"chef.gif nWe have never had segregation before prior to this season and I don't remember us being involved in so many RFL investigations as this season. I do not see the correlation between no segregation and the increase in crowd trouble.
I would think by sticking them all together will just increase the problems because it is not the proximity of the away supporters but the fact that there are away supporters. I suppose to ensure no further problems ban away supporters and you will find the trouble will go away. I would remind people that this is all hyperthefticall because we don't know the structure of the ground for next season.'"
There has been no problems at Belle Vue this season and if Bradford fans hadn't been in the north stand abusing Wakefield fans nothing would have allegedly occurred on Saturday.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Well if I was a Wakey fan I'd be pleased to see my club taking the complaints seriously and I genuinely hope they can find a solution. Posters using the excuse that it's just sour grapes because of the result are I'm afraid talking nonsense. We're meant to be a family sport and we should fight hard to make sure it stays that way. Good luck for the rest of the season.'"
The club should take the allegation seriously and fully investigate the matter and then take appropriate action against individuals subject to the findings of the investigation.
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Brilliant, most Wakey fans have seen plenty incidents at Cas, not least three years ago in the power failure game or the infamous pitch innovation at the jungle in 2004, but hey you's know because you were there!
Fans don't mic at Headingly, go stand in the middle of the South stand and see how long it takes. HRK you really are having a laugh - Warrington have the benefit of a new Stadium mmmm and Catalan ffs.
You really are one biased one eyed toad and you always have been.'"
As a Wakey fan living in Beverley I go to Rovers v Wakefield with Rovers fans. I sit in the RW stand. wouldn't dream of wandering over to the opposite side. It's common sense.
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| I bet these are the same Bradford fans that peed themselves laughing when they first watched East is East when they used the same words.
People only use the racist card when it suits.
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| The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Wonder what the reaction of the Bradford fans would have been had the chant been "Your just a town full of Asians"? Is that racist or factual? Will "Asian" be the next word to need asterixing out. Was it the word used or the facts hitting a sore point?
No doubt in a few years time the word Migrant will be the great forbidden word. Lets check the Tom and Jerry cartoons and Noddy books quickly!
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| Quote ="bren2k"And now we start to get to the truth - 4 or 5 people overstepped the mark; very easy to deal with and absolutely no need for a self-flagellating pubic apology, a flurry of faux internet outrage, or a wide-ranging RFL investigation.'"
The match commissioner included it in his report, which is how the RFL got involved.
I agree it was small minority, but if we're talking 5 or so, then they should have been ejected by the stewards once everyone else around reported them. Then problem solved, no need for "self-flagellating pubic apology, a flurry of faux internet outrage, or a wide-ranging RFL investigation" as you say. But they didn't. Which allowed the problem to develop further, which is why there's now going to be investigations into all aspects of stewarding, policing, segregation, stadium security etc.
If you actually apply the policies you have in place when the problem is small, it doesn't get to be a bigger problem, generally.
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| How do we know that it was reported to the stewards , or that the stewards heard what was going on. It would appear that the vast majority of supporters had no idea what was going on.
Lets wait for the findings from the R F L
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Wonder what the reaction of the Bradford fans would have been had the chant been "Your just a town full of Asians"? Is that racist or factual? Will "Asian" be the next word to need asterixing out. Was it the word used or the facts hitting a sore point?
No doubt in a few years time the word Migrant will be the great forbidden word. Lets check the Tom and Jerry cartoons and Noddy books quickly!'"
In a few years being called English will be racist
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| Quote ="Big lads mate"In a few years being called English will be racist
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Being proud to be English already is!
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