Oh dear, twisting the facts again ??

1/ I have never shown disregard for anyone affected by a virus or all the other illnesess doing the rounds. Challenging the agenda behind “covid” and the techniques being used to combat the "virus" is not the same thing at all.

Indeed you have.

You allow people into your "shop" not to use face coverings - completely against guidelines and you haven't a clue whether they may have the virus, therefore increasing the risk of transmission to both yourself, your staff (if you have any) and your next customer.
Yo are in denial about the numbers with the virus, the number that have died form the virus, the strain on NHS services etc, etc

2/ "The internet and social media are great platforms for stoking an interest and over blowing certain issues."

Stone cold fact - not even up for discussion and again, I was merely pointing out that, by per capita signing the 2 petitions, the naming of Boaty Mcboatface, was deemed more important to the UK public than your petition against Bill Gates - FACT

3/ No, I never told you or anyone else it was “dangerous”.

You certainly cast doubt on the vaccine and categorically stated that you wouldn't be "forced" into having one - maybe that's a glowing recommendation ?? the point still stands

You ask where the difference is with me having agonised about MMR.
It's bloody obvious. Were it not for people like you and you whipping up stories about the apparent dangers of such things, there would have been a higher take up on the vaccine and things like measles would not have come back.

4I do wish you would check your facts where I am concerned. All these untruths and assumptions you concoct do you a disservice. I know it is easy to lump all the people you disagree with in the same box and therefore run a smear campaign by linking us all together.i.e. guilty by association. It's an old trick but hey ho.

Oh really and yet you have accused ALL of the world's leaders of having been taken in by some "worlds reset" and "fake virus".
What is it you are saying about "lumping people together"




Perhaps if you hadnt aimed your own fight at "everyone" who doesn't agree with you, there could have been a more reasoned discussion on here.

hope this helps.

Housing secretary refuses to answer question on economic impact of a second lockdown.

Taken from interview with Julia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio published and re-produced on YT 3rd November.

Please listen to this, make up your own minds. My kak handed transcript does not tell the half of it.

Housing secretary Robert Jenrick refused to answer Julia Hartley-Brewer's question on the economic impact of a second lockdown FOUR times.

He cannot produce a document showing they have made a damage assessment report because it appears they have not done one.

His repeated this answer “we are taking advice” did not answer the question therefore he had no facts or figures relating to the effects of the latest lockdown.

The minister said the “IC units are filling up.” Brewer disputed this and reminded him that statistics are readily available from the NHS to dispute his claim but still he carried on bluffing his way through the interview.

She repeatedly challenged him with available figures from the NHS in Liverpool for example showing there was absolutely no need for tier 3. Cases involving the over 60s have gone down in the previous three weeks yet he insisted they are going up.

“I don't know what figures you are quoting” he bleats so Julia gives him the website they are from
Corona virus.data .gov.co.uk The official government figures. Admitions to hospitals are going down, infections in the over 60s are going down yet he refuses to acknowledge his own governments figures.

She told him bluntly, “the reason you say we should go into lockdown is because figures are going up and I'm telling you they are not.”

“We took advice” he repeats over and over, Brewer reminds him that that advice is wrong.
How can you do this? She asks. “When it's destroying our economy.”

“Well, we didn't take this decision lightly” over and over. The stock answer to very direct questions.

I have also seen this interview, agree with everything you have said re this interview. That Man Jenrick, is an embarrassment when being interviewed, he wouldn’t even give a direct response to the question, would he be working from London, or his main residence, given his history of travel in the first lockdown.

I listened. Didn't get that at all.
He says the government have taken advise from economics advisors.
He isn't the guy who handles this so she was just hounding a guy who wasn't able to answer her questions.

He does 'refuse' to answer her. He gives her an answer she doesn't like so repeats it 4 times. It's hardly a ground breaking expose.

TalkRadio is the only mainstream channel that can at least be bothered to ask difficult questions of the so called "experts" and government officials.

There was a really good interview today with former Chief Scientific Officer of Pfizer Dr Mike Yeadon that exposes this mess. He agrees with my analysis that the "pandemic" is essentially over.

Nice to finally hear someone talk sense for a change instead of listening to the scaremongering scientific advisors on BBC or Sly News. How on earth did the borthers grimm Whitty and Vallance even come up with modelling 4,000 deaths a day in the UK by December. The USA with 330 million people got no where near that during the peak back in April! Let them play with some toy train models in future as far as I'm concerned I wouldn't trust these two to run a bath.

PS Laughing non stop at the MSM and pollsters once again failing to predict anything accurately, they banged on for months about a Biden land slide. And once again they got it wrong. I'm beginning to think it was never about a prediction but good old fashioned electoral interference. A dirty tactic to get impressionable undecided voters to vote the "popular" democrats and try to put off Republican voters from going to the polls as it's a foregone conclusion. #DefundtheBBC

Quote ="PopTart"I listened. Didn't get that at all. He says the government have taken advise from economics advisors. He isn't the guy who handles this so she was just hounding a guy who wasn't able to answer her questions. He does 'refuse' to answer her. He gives her an answer she doesn't like so repeats it 4 times. It's hardly a ground breaking expose.'" So why did he not say "I'm not your guy." Why did he accept the interview, they know damn well what the subject of the programme is going to be, standard practice. He was Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury from 9 January 2018 to 24 July 2019. I would imagine he has quite a handle upon the economics. The wrong guy? Open this link and read/. He appears to be far from the "wrong guy." to interview. Yet he has no clue what his own governments NHS data is and goe's so far as to quote the opposite. Nor can he manage to quote anything from, (in laymans terms,) a risk assesement something even the smallest businesses are expected to do. Link here https://robertjenrick.com/dailytelegraph2-11-20/ A few quotes. =#BF0000"We understand the huge impact further restrictions have on jobs, on livelihoods and on people’s mental health". Not according to the interview. =#800000As Local Government Secretary, I strongly believe that we were right in pursuing a local and regional approach to tackling this virus. =#800000That’s why after we ease restrictions on 2nd December we are planning to continue with a local approach according to the latest data and trends He pretends to not know the latest data and trends. Since Jenrick didn’t answer the question. I will answer it for him. They undoubtedly have looked in to the cost of the lockdown. But there is absolutely no way that they will ever publish it or even talk about it as the amounts involved are eye-watering and anyone reading it would find it impossible to justify a lockdown. The financial cost and the cost of non-COVID deaths is astronomical. But the government have embarked on a lockdown and in order to justify it they must suppress this information. And a quote from the comments section in answer to his supposed fear for the West Country. A fear that his own data does not back up apparently. “West country hospitals overwhelmed”...Really?? Derriford Hospital, Plymouth (West countries largest and busiest hospital) is a ghost town with only 20% of all beds occupied. For the clueless government............That translates to 80% beds empty. Now the content of that last paragraph may be true or false, check it out.

Quote ="PopTart"I listened. Didn't get that at all. He says the government have taken advise from economics advisors. He isn't the guy who handles this so she was just hounding a guy who wasn't able to answer her questions. He does 'refuse' to answer her. He gives her an answer she doesn't like so repeats it 4 times. It's hardly a ground breaking expose.'" So why did he not say "I'm not your guy." Why did he accept the interview, they know damn well what the subject of the programme is going to be, standard practice. He was Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury from 9 January 2018 to 24 July 2019. I would imagine he has quite a handle upon the economics. The wrong guy? Open this link and read/. He appears to be far from the "wrong guy." to interview. Yet he has no clue what his own governments NHS data is and goe's so far as to quote the opposite. Nor can he manage to quote anything from, (in laymans terms,) a risk assesement something even the smallest businesses are expected to do. Link here https://robertjenrick.com/dailytelegraph2-11-20/ A few quotes. =#BF0000"We understand the huge impact further restrictions have on jobs, on livelihoods and on people’s mental health". Not according to the interview. =#800000As Local Government Secretary, I strongly believe that we were right in pursuing a local and regional approach to tackling this virus. =#800000That’s why after we ease restrictions on 2nd December we are planning to continue with a local approach according to the latest data and trends He pretends to not know the latest data and trends. Since Jenrick didn’t answer the question. I will answer it for him. They undoubtedly have looked in to the cost of the lockdown. But there is absolutely no way that they will ever publish it or even talk about it as the amounts involved are eye-watering and anyone reading it would find it impossible to justify a lockdown. The financial cost and the cost of non-COVID deaths is astronomical. But the government have embarked on a lockdown and in order to justify it they must suppress this information. And a quote from the comments section in answer to his supposed fear for the West Country. A fear that his own data does not back up apparently. “West country hospitals overwhelmed”...Really?? Derriford Hospital, Plymouth (West countries largest and busiest hospital) is a ghost town with only 20% of all beds occupied. For the clueless government............That translates to 80% beds empty. Now the content of that last paragraph may be true or false, check it out.

It's not that the BBC and other main stream channels can't be bothered, they have been ordered not to challenge (too hard) the official narrative.. See interview with TV jounalist Eamonn Holmes OBE. Tragic what the media in this country have been reduced to. Thank goodness for the independents, but still too few in number.
And tragic too that so many on here rely on the BBC for their news.

Baseless facts claimed again.

Whether you find the BBC impartial or not news is put out and they will correct it if found to be untrue, now this alarms me if it's not bad enough with the covid 19 there a mutated version now from mink https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54835538

Whether you find the BBC impartial or not news is put out and they will correct it if found to be untrue, now this alarms me if it's not bad enough with the covid 19 there a mutated version now from mink https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54835538

1) If you are taking your facts from the comments section of online posts then you a really in trouble.
2) It is your responsibility to fact check your facts, not us. Don't post it if you don't know. It just adds to the view that you are just posting things to troll us all.

I DID NOT say it was a "fact".
I said it may be true..... it may be false.....check it out.

Are you saying people cannot make up their own minds and use someone from the actual West Country as a start off point.

Again, I did not say it was "fact".

Please do not ascribe words and meanings to me that I did not say. Please read the full post rather than jumping to a knee jerk reaction. Check YOUR facts. That is your responssibility.

And I thought you would be back to defend your Mr Jenrick.

The words of journalist Eamonn Holmes OBE former GMT and Sky presenter is are a baseless fact are they?
I have posted the link to his comments before, you may look for it.

Anyone who listens to the BBC interview techniques can spot the deficiencies instantly. You don't even need Mr Holmes to spill the beans on this one.

You are trying to convince us of something and using a comment section to prove your case. I'm worried for you if that's were you are trying to get credibility.
If you are saying it isn't a fact, why post it? It certainly does make a case against the actual facts previously posted.

If I post a fact, you can assume I checked it.
If I post an opinion you can assume I back it.
I don't post little comments that imply a fact but are based on nothing but none expert opinion and then deny that I said it...... Can you say that?

I realise it's hard for you to keep track of which of your baseless facts we are discussing but for clarity, this is the baseless fact I was referring to:

Miro wrote:
"It's not that the BBC and other main stream channels can't be bothered, they have been ordered not to challenge (too hard) the official narrative."

Yes, and that is exactly what Mr Holmes was referring to. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
Refer also, as I posted previously, to the BBCs own Emma Barret re what reporters have been told not to question re vaccines.

Please, and I have asked you this many times, to point out baseless facts I have allegedly made.

Why post it? Did I not tell you? I'll repeat. Your guy, who you now choose not to defend now you have been shown he is not "the wrong guy" made accusations about West Country hospitals which appear not to be correct.
Beneath, in the comments, was someone presumably from the actual West Country, who disputed those figures. and gave his own account.
I repeated that in order that anyone wishing to make their own investigation could do so and use that anecdotal evidence as a starting off point, especially as he made references to a particular hospital.

That is I being quite prepared to let people decide for themselves and inviting them to do so.


No where did I imply it was a fact. How did I imply it was a fact when I said it may be true, it may be false, make up your own mind.

Now, how do you know it is nothing more than "none expert opinion" Is that an opinion from you or a fact? Should you not check your facts before making this assertion?

I made it quite plain it was not my opinion or a fact

Get it now?

I have no idea who "Your Guy" is.

But just so I'm clear. What's your opinion on the anecdotal evidence? By posting it in a thread which is predominantly you telling us not to believe mainstream media, anyone in authority of any political persuasion or the medical profession, I assumed you believed it and was asking us to do the same?

Your guy is MP Robert Jenrick who made a fool of himself on Talk Radio when interviewed by Julia Hartley-Brewer. The guy who you believe is the "wrong guy to ask." Yet my post reveals he should have been the guy to ask.

I have not or ever asked anyone to disbelieve just anyone of any political persuasion, just those who pretend not to know their facts from their elbow, or the details of a risk assessment like Robert Jenrick and your leader, Boris Johnson.

I have never said do not believe anyone in the medical profession. There are many in the medical profession you can believe.

Again, show me where I have said these things, do not just accuse me. You have all the facts to hand. If I am as you say I am it should be ever so easy, just dip into any post I have made.

Do not assume I believe an anecdote is to be believed when I state it may be false. That very word should make you assume I think there is a possibility that it may be........wait for it........................FALSE.

I cannot make it any clearer than that.

Why you continue with these falsehoods I do not know. I know shooting the messenger is a great tactic to draw attention away from the real issues i.e. Jenwick's dreadful embarrassment of an interview but come on.

There is a game on Miro.

What's this all about Pop Tart? Genuine question, I don't read the nationals.

Shelley Tasker until recently, worked as a healthcare assistant at a hospital in Cornwall. She made national news headlines today (5th Nov.), when it emerged that she had resigned from her post, because claims that NHS hospitals are being overrun by Covid patients and are at breaking point, are grossly untrue. Shelley said the claims are "lies."

Taaking time out today to listen to her radio interview but here is a comment from someone who has

"Well done, this brave woman has started the turning tide and will be on the right side of history"

We shall see.

Note to Robert Jenrick MP / Pop Tart, Cornwall being the West Country of course, And this.

A Conservative MP has told talkRADIO he believes there are "lies, damn lies and Covid statistics," adding that "it seems to be you can prove anything with a Covid statistic."

Speaking to Julia Hartley-Brewer, Peter Bone said the government is "using selective ones to prove their case.

“We’re not getting a balanced range of different statistics so that you can make a balanced decision on what’s the right thing to do."

Ahead of the vote on the new lockdown measures, the Conservative MP told talkRADIO it is "like sending troops into action. You never know if it’s the right thing or wrong thing to do.

"We don’t know if we’re going to kill more people by voting for the regulation or against it.

“If we haven’t got the facts to look at, maybe they haven’t got a case for these restrictions."

This begs the question, just what HAVE these backbench MPs been looking at this past year.

Genuine answer
I'll need more evidence than a health care assistant who has resigned challenging NHS communications across the country because her ward isn't full in Cornwall.
Healthcare assistants need no medical qualification or for that matter any knowledge of economics.

She may have a point that Cornwall didn't need to shut down given their lower numbers. I don't particularly disagree but equally, the point the government are making is that the rates are much higher elsewhere and if they don't include Cornwall then the rates will rise there.
Also part of the reason for the national lockdown was that councils were challenging their tier system. Can't have it both ways.

I'd add that Cornwall relies heavily on tourism from other parts of the country. As the other areas are locked down because they do have full hospitals, I'd imagine, but don't obviously know, that many people are in a better position because of the financial help given by the government in lockdown. No lockdown means less financial support.
She's in a lucky position that she can resign from her job while in lockdown. As she's a part time photographer, she'll be supported financially by the government.

I've seen quite a few interviews where an actual senior medically qualified person has shown how busy their wards are. Especially in the North of England.
So I don't put much faith in Shelley's campaign. (She's protested at the hospital before)

Devon and Cornwall seem to have been "unlucky" to be included in the National Lockdown as their Covid cases HAVE been lower then many other parts of England but, it's either go with the local restrictions, which dont appear to have been too successful or, go with the far "simpler", one size fits all, national restrictions.

As for whether it's right, again, I agree, nobody quite knows.
Mind you, if "nobody" follows the guidance, we will keep on yo-yoing in and out of lockdown until an effective vaccine is found.
Perhaps, if people weren't so desperate to have a week in the sun AND there was effective testing and quarantine for those returning to the UK we might have kept on top of the numbers.

I have listened to her interview and just as you tend to disregard her testimony because she is only a healthcare assistant or because you believe she has no medical or knowledge of economics I put it to you that she can at least count and compare what she is being told and what she can see.

She claims (for those who haven't heard the interview) that up to the pandemic breaking she had lots of work across three hospitals including Treliske hospital, then the pandemic broke, so they waited and waited for the patients and deaths to begin. As we all were, Remember the news at the start of all this.
She claims she had very little work in the three weeks at the so called height of the “pandemic”.
She also agrees with the 99.9% survival rate.

She didn't mention the lockddown but rather the figures she saw with her own eyes against what she was being told. She does not need qualifications or knowledge of economics to be able to count and make comparisons.

Let say Carter had been claiming 9,000 attendances (yes, I know he wouldn't) but you came on here and claimed there were no more than 4,500 in the ground. Would we dismiss your claim by saying you are not a rugby league professionals and have no knowledge of economics? I bet most on here would most likely believe you over the CEO of the club or even the club (no offence intended) accountant.

I can assure you I would rather listen to the experience of people on the ground rather than the (no disrespect to Carter) paid professionals who have a vested interest in towing the party line. (like a large salary or just the fear of being struck off as some have been simply for speaking out) You do tend to find whistle blowers are those with less to lose than those on huge salaries or a mortgage and 3 kids to support.
That is not to say I disbelieve them all, but you see what I'm getting at.

And, to address your point of rates of infections as she states. They are doing more and more testing (with this flawed testing method) so higher figures but that does not equate to hospital admissions. i.e. The majority are asymptomatic cases, not ill, not in hospital wards, let alone at deaths door. How many rugby players tested positive have been hospitalized, how many deaths. Most are back playing the toughest sport in the world within two weeks.

And that's what she is saying, hospitals, in her experience, are not being overwhelmed yet the public were being told they were and this backs up many such reports from around the country. This is just one.
After all, I am being accused of lies and being a conspiracy theorist so I can't do fairer than report this woman's testimony backed by the MSM whether you or I believe it or don't believe it.

Thankfully it appears the MSM are more and more breaking cover and reporting these true life experiences as opposed to politicians and there supporters. especially the Times and Telegraph (so I'm told.)

Seriously, that is all just blah.
She talks about her experience in a hospital not the actual admissions in the hospital.
The evidence in other hospitals refute what she is saying.

The attendance figures are often discussed and tge people who come on and try to estimate tge crowd by eye are usually laughed at because that it just impossible to that level if detail.
Just the same as this lady, with no access to actual admission lists, or even the view in other wards in her own hospital, is estimating that a world wide pandemic and country wide NHS statistics are not accurate.
I'd prefer to take the agreed statistics from NHS (not the government estimates) and the actual pictures in the magic telly box that shows actual people in actual hospital.