We hear you, and it's all in the pot. But with respect to some of the parties involved, we need to follow through what we've already started first.

I do have a little experience of stirring things up when required and I am grateful to the support we received. I had hoped those days had gone....

Souds like we are as far away from "The Holy Grail" of a new stadium as we have always been.

There's always plenty on here ready to give it some from a keyboard, looking like it's getting close to the "mobilising the troops" time again, I assume the hundreds that are angry/disappointed are ready to get off their ar ses and put the work in, we'll see eh?

We have a site, we have a 106 agreement that was at least intended to ensure we get a stadium - at least that's what the government inspector was expecting!

We have come a long way, but the trick is to push it that bit further!

Makes you laugh when a City the size of Wakefield has many many false hopes on numerous new stadium sites over the last 30 years but a town like Shorpe looks like getting a new stadium less than 30 years since their present stadia was built. Hopefully we will receive positive stadium news soon and we will get a decent stadium that will do the City proud

From the outside it looks like we've been stitched up. How can that happen when the Secretary of State has been involved in this process?

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the right question!

We do not accept that we have nothing though, and will use what we can to aid our cause!

I fear if the political will isn't there now then whatever we do we will be peeing into the wind. It will ultimately come down to what the protagonists are legally obliged to do, and whether the trust could threaten to take them to court and win. If the 106 gives them a route out they will take it and no amount of protests will change that, bar them having a massive guilt trip. And given they are doing what they are now tells me that ain't gunna happen. At a time when the council are cutting services left right and centre i fear the wider wakefield public would prefer any extra money to be spent on things like keeping the huge amount of children's centres they are having to close open rather than making sure we have a roof over our heads. I'm not sure that outside of the wakey fans there will be a great deal of support, whether the community facilities line is constantly peddled or not. I think most will feel there are bigger fish to fry and that could leave us exposed as we will need all the help we can get to have a chance. I really hope there is a rabbit to be pulled out of the hat and we get a positive result but i have a really bad feeling about this.

When casting your eyes around the internet it doesn't take long before you start shaking your head at WMDCs inability to get a stadium built in comparison to other smaller Town and City Councils.

Rotherham
Bristol
Oldham
Peterborough
Plymouth
Shorpe
Brentford
Darlington
Brighton

I'm afraid I agree - like it or not, Joe Public will see this as a new stadium for WTW and as a result, won't give two hoots about whether it gets built or not; half a dozen worthies spoke in favour at the hearing and I think most of them were connected to the club, or persuaded to speak by people connected to the club.

Without knowledge of what moves are planned by the Trust, it doesn't look good; if YCP have a) no desire to meet their obligations and b) no money anyway, it could be an impasse that lasts for years.

Oh come on Bren. You make it sound like we have nothing worth fighting for! We have other people who think otherwise and this is about a complete package, not just the stadium.

I'm not saying it's easy, far from it, but we need a little bit more fight than to just shrug our shoulders and accept the current position as being all we deserve! There are technical, political and moral arguments which suggest we should be receiving something for our pains. You yourself were aware of the connections involved and their reasonings for support - I don't think those reasons have altered one jot and I feel some responsibility to at least make my best endeavours to deliver what we planned!

There are many of us that have done our bit in supporting and helping the cause of a new stadium, but the realisation and the constant slow moving/lack of info being brought to the table speaks volumes to me.
Years and years of hoping and praying for a kickstart to the success of Wakefield Trinity gets more painful by every setback.
Good luck to all involved but I sadly fear the worst.......yet again.

York Court have a nice piece of land in the paragon business park that will be just right for a stadium and fairly near City centre tell Sir Rodney to tell them we want it there for messing us about. With YC owning half of Wakefield you'd think they wouldn't want to upset the council so hopefully we will get something I'm not giving up the fight or stopping believing.

I'm not shrugging my shoulders TRB - far from it - I've advocated getting tough with YCP and that's what I'd do; I just don't think it's realistic to expect to receive outpourings of support from Outraged of Outwood on this issue. The whole thing received so little media attention, that it never entered the consciousness of a massive majority of the Wakefield public - people, as a rule, don't give a toss about things that don't directly effect them, and this doesn't.

I hope that whatever the Trust is working on is enough to get YCP to do the right thing - really I do - but there's a massive disincentive to doing the right thing when it's going to cost you millions of £'s.

Can't believe what I'm reading on here.

It's not a moral or political obligation its a LEGAL obligation, that's what a Section 106 Agreement is, its a UNILATERAL UNDERTAKING from one or more parties to another in return for something.

In this case it is a planning consent that results in £m's of profit being made in return for a Community Stadium provided for the Stadium Trust.

The profits will be made so do we just forget the Unilateral Obligation to provide the Stadium. If legal documents have been badly drafted they can be put right as long as the original intent is met.

I for one aint going to give up the fight even if others already appear to have capitulated.

we have voted people into positions to look after our needs(community sports stadium}ect.make them do their job.ring or write to them,show your anger.

So if it the 106 is watertight and is a legal requirement and they renege on it there should surely be no problem taking them to court then? Threaten them with that and the job is a good 'un. Unless the agreement isn't watertight and the legal requirement isn't there of course. Then there is a problem. So which is it?

Isn't the point though that the original agreement was drafted in such a way that it *didn't* created a legal obligation?

Which takes me back to my original point; it's been going on for months now and it sounds like YCP are doing everything they can to duck out of what should have been a legal obligation, but is now only a moral one; given that stance, dob them in to the SoS and let Eric Pickles deal with them - while you're at it, talk to the WE, YEP and anyone else who'll listen. Property developer colludes with council to create millions in profit and skanks local community out of sports facilities? Would go nicely in the 'Rotten Boroughs' section of Private Eye for starters.

If your capitulation dig was aimed at me - you're misunderstanding; I'd fight back in the strongest possible terms, and balls to the feelings or sensitivities of whomever else is involved.

Bren, don't want to go into too much detail because this may well end in a Court of Law but needless to say we have a 106 Agreement that shall I say is not fit for purpose and does not reflect the intent of the Inspector at the Public Inquiry.

We need to put that right by whatever means we have at our disposal and I don't know if you have been involved in any Court actions of this nature but you try to resolve matters by dialogue and litigation is always the last and final resort.

We are on with this and all I'm asking for is supporters patience, trust and more than anything support because we may well need it.

We are fighting for what we all love.

Totally correct and do not forget the numerous council officers on 6 figure salaries who have also been involved in all of this. Yet again , as usual they have let the people down that they are paid to serve.

I have the utmost respect for TRB, Sandal Cat, IA and everyone else who's volunteered their time and resources for ten long years. This certainly isn't a dig or any form of criticism of them because they're honourable people who have acted in good faith. Unfortunately the other parties involved have been criminally incompetent or constructively deceitful in their actions and I wonder if there's a route there in which to follow a legal challenge to the loophole in the S106, similar to constructive dismissal.

I'm certainly not advocating giving up but I'm certain from what I know that YCP have zero intention to pay 1penny towards sports facilities for the community.

Trying to appeal to their better nature or hoping they'll cave in because lots of people are upset at them is the same nativity that allowed them to dupe everyone in the first place.

It's as clear as the nose on your face that the only way to deal with them is a heavy handed approach. Therefore going Legal with the weight of the SoSs Office, WMDC Officers, Media and any other means behind you is the way to go IMO.

And it's just that, an opinion, formed from the outside looking in so please don't condemn me or anyone else for having and discussing a view on a forum.

Just a couple of questions:
1. Can anyone tell me what "community" features would be incorporated into a new and improved belle vue?
2. If the matter does end up in litigation, who will pay for it?

Yes I have - on a regular basis - and I don't agree with you that litigation is always the last and final resort; if your opponent has shown that they're not interested in dialogue, then it's sometimes the only thing you can do.

All that said, I've no doubt that the club, or the Trust, or whomever is handling the matter, can't afford litigation, and YCP will be very aware of that; so the next best thing is to hand it to the Government dept who have also been duped, and let them deal with it.

Plus throw as much muck publicly as is humanly possible!!
I'm 100% with been on this one.
YCP don't appear to have any good intentions and we don't have any dough to take it to court.
It's stalemate unless we can garner some very public or very high profile support.

Sir Rodney Walker