Equally so maybe Batch could have been more accommodating in his dealings with the new coach bearing in mind the one who he had fallen out with had left or was leaving the club, I don't doubt for one minute that Batch did not tell you what he did and I'm sure your integrity is still in tact, but how many times do rugby players say things that aren't true for whatever reasons, it's easy to blame the other side when they know they won't be giving a reply, whatever the reasons are, he's gone now we just have to suck it up and move on.

One left for money the other ambition I understand why both left but I also understand the clubs position.

Which ones which?

Not for me to say but not hard to figure out if you think about it.

That seems strange to suggest, surely if a player had ambition beyond Wakey he would aim Higher than Hull KR ,with all due respect to that club BTW.

Maybe so, but a real statement of intent tonight from them, following their fans forum. Their player budget to increase by £300k, and further ground developments totalling £14m, on the side where the Roger Millward stand is

£14M. Whoaf! Where the heck did those spondoolicks come from?

Are you sure that it wasn't "fourteen minions" repainting the crash barriers?

If not, it seems that they've been tipped the wink as to what an "A" licence involves. Blimey!

If you look at Wakey's table standings and HKRs table standings, HKR are a considerably worse proposition than us.

They are all smoke and mirrors.

Amazing what an extra 2500 or so on the gate over numerous seasons and a chairman that regularly puts his hands in his pockets can achieve

I'd take 2016, 2017 and 2018 out of the equation, but look overall from 2007, and I would hazard a guess that their win ratio is higher than ours. More often than not, I think, since they came into SL, they have finished above us.

Stats don't often lie.

They have also done something that we haven't achieved for 43 years.

No, they have only ever finished above us four times (one of which was when they protected their averages in the covid % season).

You are right they made a CC Final (losing by a record margin), but unlike us, they have never made the play-offs (covid-season excepted).

We have never been relegated from SL either.

The point remains, if you wanted to leave Wakey to "better" yourself and your chances of winning medals, you wouldn't pick HKR!

But if you take 2015 out of the equation they haven't been to a CC Final for nearly 40 years either.

Also, if you exclude 2010, 2013, 2016 and 2018, Wigan haven't won SL this century, which is the same as us.

Most clubs, as we know, are expected to go straight back down after winning promotion to super league. Our first year was 1999, theirs 2007, so we have had years ahead of them in getting it right.

We finished bottom in 2015, and didn't go down, we were so far off the pace it was unreal. In 2016, they went down, but finished,I think 2 places below us. They went down in golden point. How many times have we been scrambling and scraping on the last/last couple of times to stay up...several, they haven't.

On playing less games, was it always their doing, could we not have played smarter at times, and played the game.

Yes, lost by a record score, to an, at the time all conquering Leeds side, whilst battling in the middle 8's. In the same year, we couldn't beat a Leigh side, a division below us, when having a decent lead.

Like I said, I would hazard a guess, and say they have a greater win ratio overall, in SL games than what we have.

Sadly, like it or not, and I'm waiting for the usual meltdown from the likes of Vastcap, Chisels and Willzay, that I do agree with Batch and Aydin, that they stand better chance of Category A rugby and to challenge for silverware right now, than staying put

2015, the same year, Leigh, a division knocked us out at Belle Vue.

I remember it. It was the year before Hull KR were knocked out at home by Oldham who were in a division below. Or are we excluding that game as well?

They're at least £14m away from Category A.

And I couldn’t care less about floating KR’s boat myself or what license they get.

What matters is how far we are from an A and what we are doing to build for the future.

How far off are we.

Sorry, but I'm going to agree to disagree

The point is, Batch thinks so, and that is what mattered this time.

No one has said he has gone there for trophies. But he clearly thinks his chance of progression is better there.
It's a personal development thing I would think.
Playing in your favoured position
Playing in a team you think will develop you
Playing somewhere a bigger club will spot you
And being paid well I guess too.

It's not to say Wakefield isn't a good place to be. But he thinks Hull KR is better for him right now.

Quite right, we have never embarrassed ourselves in a CC final.

Not sure about the insult, my thoughts as I've already said he's gone move on, if your after a job at Caravan park on the promotional front you do know Hudgell doesn't read this board

Then why bring it up, it's called putting you on the horse and not giving you a ride.

Not really Chissels, I've had my fill of working within sports clubs and stadia.

Since Wakefield's first game in super league, we have played 633 regular rounds, with 231 wins. That is a win ratio of 36.49%.

During Hull KR's super league regular rounds, they have played 378 games, with 157 wins. That is a win ratio of 41.67%.

They're not challenging the top 4 with them stats, but it is definitely better than ours.

But these aren't.

Why have we played nearly double the amount of SL games to what they have?