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Applegarth has done plenty of interviews about the team.'"
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"I'm not sure that standing in front of the camera with a vacant stare for 9 weeks repeating the same mantra of "we're doing it tough but I can see the effort...we just need to keep going" is really much of an interview'"
Do I need to repeat the question or is that it? |
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| Quote ="PopTart"What communication do you want?
Applegarth has done plenty of interviews about the team.'"
They could start with announcing that the current coach has been removed from the running of the first team and we are actively undergoing a full application process and hope to have made an appointment by the Hull fixture. I have nothing against the current incumbent but he is clearly out of his depth and I see no sign he knows how to reverse the performances. |
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"They could start with announcing that the current coach has been removed from the running of the first team and we are actively undergoing a full application process and hope to have made an appointment by the Hull fixture. I have nothing against the current incumbent but he is clearly out of his depth and I see no sign he knows how to reverse the performances.'"
In effect we now have a three week break until the Hull game. We are never going to get anything at the Pies & Wire and we always lose in the cup. As you say, time for a reset and get a new coach in for the Hull game |
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| Quote ="newcat"In effect we now have a three week break until the Hull game. We are never going to get anything at the Pies & Wire and we always lose in the cup. As you say, time for a reset and get a new coach in for the Hull game'"
I actually thought it was the cup at the end of April, but it’s the international break.
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Signing of Gale noted but I think an experienced SL coach is also needed to steer the ship off the field and try to get Trinity re-building for the future even if it’s too late for this season.
10 losses on the bounce and Applegarth is still in the chair along with Ford. He lost a lot of credibility with me when he backed Lineham and didn’t give Murphy the 5 shirt.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... ore-target
His signings Atoni and Proctor have been dreadful as was the decision to let Hall go and bring in Dagger who’s no better at full back than Kay.
Going without a proven 6 was crazy and he should have been bringing in Corey Norman or similar instead of going for an overweight old second row Proctor to play at prop. His judgment of Gaskell/Smith/Langi at 6 also backs the feeling of SL coaching ineptitude. After 10 games into the season Proctor still does not appear match fit.
I am sorry but I think he got the nod as he fit the ‘cheap as chips’ price bracket and probably doesn’t demand too much from club management, he isn’t what Trinity need.
Who to replace him then?
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Signing of Gale noted but I think an experienced SL coach is also needed to steer the ship off the field and try to get Trinity re-building for the future even if it’s too late for this season.
10 losses on the bounce and Applegarth is still in the chair along with Ford. He lost a lot of credibility with me when he backed Lineham and didn’t give Murphy the 5 shirt.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... ore-target
His signings Atoni and Proctor have been dreadful as was the decision to let Hall go and bring in Dagger who’s no better at full back than Kay.
Going without a proven 6 was crazy and he should have been bringing in Corey Norman or similar instead of going for an overweight old second row Proctor to play at prop. His judgment of Gaskell/Smith/Langi at 6 also backs the feeling of SL coaching ineptitude. After 10 games into the season Proctor still does not appear match fit.
I am sorry but I think he got the nod as he fit the ‘cheap as chips’ price bracket and probably doesn’t demand too much from club management, he isn’t what Trinity need.
Who to replace him then?
John Kear would be my answer on a long term contract with someone like Gale later as an assistant when he retires from playing possibly. | |
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Quote ="asmadasa"Signing of Gale noted but I think an experienced SL coach is also needed to steer the ship off the field and try to get Trinity re-building for the future even if it’s too late for this season.
10 losses on the bounce and Applegarth is still in the chair along with Ford. He lost a lot of credibility with me when he backed Lineham and didn’t give Murphy the 5 shirt.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... ore-target
His signings Atoni and Proctor have been dreadful as was the decision to let Hall go and bring in Dagger who’s no better at full back than Kay.
Going without a proven 6 was crazy and he should have been bringing in Corey Norman or similar instead of going for an overweight old second row Proctor to play at prop. His judgment of Gaskell/Smith/Langi at 6 also backs the feeling of SL coaching ineptitude. After 10 games into the season Proctor still does not appear match fit.
I am sorry but I think he got the nod as he fit the ‘cheap as chips’ price bracket and probably doesn’t demand too much from club management, he isn’t what Trinity need.
Who to replace him then?
John Kear would be my answer on a long term contract with someone like Gale later as an assistant when he retires from playing possibly.'"
Someone like Kear, with Applegarth as assistant would be great but, it's very, very unlikely to happen.
Kear is doing a decent job at Widnes.
They're in a play off spot, which is something that Kear would no doubt love to see through.
The bottom line is about who may be available and who would actually want to take us on.
Already, the very best we can hope for is an 11th spot finish and we have nobody of real value to sell to allow us some spend elsewhere.
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Quote ="asmadasa"Signing of Gale noted but I think an experienced SL coach is also needed to steer the ship off the field and try to get Trinity re-building for the future even if it’s too late for this season.
10 losses on the bounce and Applegarth is still in the chair along with Ford. He lost a lot of credibility with me when he backed Lineham and didn’t give Murphy the 5 shirt.
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... ore-target
His signings Atoni and Proctor have been dreadful as was the decision to let Hall go and bring in Dagger who’s no better at full back than Kay.
Going without a proven 6 was crazy and he should have been bringing in Corey Norman or similar instead of going for an overweight old second row Proctor to play at prop. His judgment of Gaskell/Smith/Langi at 6 also backs the feeling of SL coaching ineptitude. After 10 games into the season Proctor still does not appear match fit.
I am sorry but I think he got the nod as he fit the ‘cheap as chips’ price bracket and probably doesn’t demand too much from club management, he isn’t what Trinity need.
Who to replace him then?
John Kear would be my answer on a long term contract with someone like Gale later as an assistant when he retires from playing possibly.'"
Someone like Kear, with Applegarth as assistant would be great but, it's very, very unlikely to happen.
Kear is doing a decent job at Widnes.
They're in a play off spot, which is something that Kear would no doubt love to see through.
The bottom line is about who may be available and who would actually want to take us on.
Already, the very best we can hope for is an 11th spot finish and we have nobody of real value to sell to allow us some spend elsewhere.
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We have adopted a new business trend old for youth.
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It is now open season on all out of contract players of which we currently have many even before we are relegated and a few more can be added. The final chapter of the legacy begins. It will be interesting just to see how many of our current squad are of interest to other clubs and at what level.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"It is now open season on all out of contract players of which we currently have many even before we are relegated and a few more can be added. The final chapter of the legacy begins. It will be interesting just to see how many of our current squad are of interest to other clubs and at what level.'"
Same as every other club.
Personally, even if we survive, there are a lot of players I wouldn't renew. Time to refresh whichever division it is. |
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"It is now open season on all out of contract players of which we currently have many even before we are relegated and a few more can be added. The final chapter of the legacy begins. It will be interesting just to see how many of our current squad are of interest to other clubs and at what level.'"
Do not care where the players go as long as 95% of them are not here.next season
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Someone like Kear, with Applegarth as assistant would be great but, it's very, very unlikely to happen.
Kear is doing a decent job at Widnes.
They're in a play off spot, which is something that Kear would no doubt love to see through.
The bottom line is about who may be available and who would actually want to take us on.
Already, the very best we can hope for is an 11th spot finish and we have nobody of real value to sell to allow us some spend elsewhere.
After Murphy, Hall was our best young player and we literally gave him away
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Kear alongside Liam Finn would also be another option if either could be tempted back to BellevVue… |
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| Quote ="PopTart"Same as every other club.
Personally, even if we survive, there are a lot of players I wouldn't renew. Time to refresh whichever division it is.'"
I'd wholeheartedly agree on that, and some next year too, but at the same, make sure, the replacents are improvements on who we let go. |
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I see in the programme notes that once again we the supporters have to do our bit and not to exude negativity.'"
I have to say that this irked me in the Mighty Trin magazine. He has always had snipes like that and it is irritating. None of this is our fault. I get some of the overboard comments must be frustrating and annoying, but the customer is always right (even when they're wrong). There is something of the Ryanair about some of the comments, except people will still use Ryanair as it fits in with their plans. Pretty soon, an afternoon at Belle Vue won't fit in with their plans anymore, so MC doesn't have the luxury of attacking those who pay the money. |
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And were not even allowed to offer constructive criticism according to the messiah, as this is codswallop.
Instead, we the fans are expected to suck this up, and continue to stump up their hard earned cash every week.
Some folk in this day and age can only just about keep their head above water, financially, and expecting them to cough up every week, and accept the poor performances every week, on and off the pitch, with no indication from certain people of any kind of plan as to what's happening or where we're going is poor.
People are voting with their feet.
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And were not even allowed to offer constructive criticism according to the messiah, as this is codswallop.
Instead, we the fans are expected to suck this up, and continue to stump up their hard earned cash every week.
Some folk in this day and age can only just about keep their head above water, financially, and expecting them to cough up every week, and accept the poor performances every week, on and off the pitch, with no indication from certain people of any kind of plan as to what's happening or where we're going is poor.
People are voting with their feet.
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I'm pretty sure of 2 things
1) he didn't say not to give constructive criticism
2) there has been no constructive criticism raised as far as I can see so no need to worry.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I'm pretty sure of 2 things
1) he didn't say not to give constructive criticism
2) there has been no constructive criticism raised as far as I can see so no need to worry.'"
How about after ten years they have failed to bring in sufficient revenue to produce a SL standard squad. I would assume this would be the main factor for any business. |
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| Quote ="PopTart"I'm pretty sure of 2 things
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2) there has been no constructive criticism raised as far as I can see so no need to worry.'"
He did.
You may want to listen to his podcast again |
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"He did.
You may want to listen to his podcast again'"
"Constructive criticism"??
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Here is some criticism.
Communication and media profile are crap.
The image most people have of us is of a cheapskate, we are 150 years old and should be celebratory and not dragged down by constant negativity. Bloody sick of reading “winless Wakefield”.
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Thanks for explaining the difference between criticism and constructive criticism Manuel.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I'm pretty sure of 2 things
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2) there has been no constructive criticism raised as far as I can see so no need to worry.'"
I don't dispute his right to feel how he does, given some of the stuff that gets thrown around, and I would feel the same way. I just don't think he should voice it.
He's in the sales business, selling entertainment. No one in the sales business outwardly moans about how their customers feel about their products or their "shopping journey", or whatever email surveys call them now. They ask themselves how they can improve the experience, how they can communicate the improvements, and how they can increase the enjoyment for their customers.
To some extent, he has done that, by providing an improved ground. But his magazine comments were along the lines of "stop having a go at us and the players, it only makes a bad situation worse", and he has in the past, and it just rubs peoples' backs up. It did mine, and I am broadly supportive of how everything seems.
We just can't afford to lose any of the support we have. Thank the fans for the passion they have and make them feel valued, even if he doesn't mean it. |
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| Quote ="PopTart"Thanks for explaining the difference between criticism and constructive criticism Manuel.'"
Does anyone outside know that it's our 150th year ?
It's a huge milestone and we're keeping quiet about it.
The irony of the stadium upgrade, just as we succumb to relegation is awful.
The taking of players on 2 week loan deals also seems crazy, what on earth does this do to the remaining squad members.
They need to believe that if they train hard, they will get their chance but, the short term loan deals must be like a kick in the nuts.
All we have done is help other clubs improve the fitness of their squads, while we demotivate our own players. |
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