Of course we can turn it round Poptart,but I've just watched the Leeds match and the bit of optimism I had has gone. Was dismayed how amateurish we were and on that showing definitely relegation material.Need to start changing things pretty quickly and show a massive improvement for Hull match!

Indeed. To be honest it even knocked me back a bit but ultimately there is still time but as you say something has to change.

The really sad bit for me imo in all this fiasco is that we have seen these players put great performances in ,we took Catalans close , hull close, Competitive against saints ,wheels fell off against Leeds ,then back on the horse against Toulouse and wires twice and a good win against Salford with a nail biting finish to boot . Then sadly down hill since . For me it’s not fitness ,they went toe to toe with saints for the best part of the whole game , it certainly shouldn’t be skill sets , it’s mental toughness and that passion that for me is sadly lacking with the players . They just don’t seem to be giving that extra that sets the best teams apart from the rest, and that became apparent for mr watching Max struggling to effect a tackle and players stood within helping distance that didn’t bother helping .

they are two different sports how the hell can you compare between them for a start off Leeds was lucky playing against 9 men in the end who had nothing to play for.
You don't half talk some

Ah OK I see. I'll try to dumb it down next time.

1 Many sports learn from each other.
2 Both things I was comparing were about teams on the edge of relegation where everyone had them odds on to go down
3 they turned it round by playing better than they had in the previous games that got them in the mess
4 it was just something to post that was different to the relegation doom and gloom
5 added bonus that it gave you something to be irrationally grumpy about.

Some really touchy people out there.

Theres no cohesion, it's all 1 man efforts, no meaningful offloads, if any at all, no will to win like displayed by other teams.IMO the half backs were going through the motions; as far as I could see they never set up anything the whole match.I personally have always blown a bit hot and cold where Reece Lyne is concerned but at the moment he is really struggling, and that's being kind.Noticed that a poor pass from Reece to Tom Lineham had them falling out,and generally there seems to be a tension in the group that's leading to mistakes.It's been discussed a few times by different posters re JC not being effective at hooker,and it was there again for all to see against Leeds.I don't blame the lad for that,I blame the coach.On a positive note I'm warming to Whitbread,think he's steadily improving.If TJ is staying till the season end, and is fit, he needs to be in, pronto,Murphy as well.

How is the coach to blame?
JC had to do a stint at hooker because the interchange hooker had to go on the wing.
Injury caused JC to be at hooker, how is WP to blame for that?

So are you saying it was a success with JC at hooker?

I think he's asking who else would you have put in the hooking roll once Kay was needed on the wing?

Sometimes it’s advantageous that our deputy hooker is actually a winger…

The Magic Weekend game is massive, it genuinely feels like whoever wins, stays up. That simple.

Watched the highlights eventually. Am I correct in thinking Miller chose not to make an effort to tackle when we conceded tries. If so, seems very Jarrod Sammut like. If correct, he shouldn’t get near the first team again.

Isn’t it sad that I looked at the fixture list and was pleased to see that we have a week off.

Hopefully have a good break and come back refreshed.

I don’t see a win though until the Magic Weekend game, the week after against KR is also important. 4 big points up for grabs.

Considering he made 23 tackles, more than any other back and more than 3 forwards, I'd say you are way off the mark.

Hi Wollo,I did understand what phe13 meant, and to be fair he did have a good point.It was harsh on Willie and I suppose lazy posting, but it just seemed to me to be repeating past mistakes.

Not surprising to hear that from you PT as you seem to be the official club apologist. It was actually Miller that was way off the mark, when it mattered.

All well and good but he’s there to direct our attack and it is SHOCKING

I agree. But that's not what Manuel accused him of.

No. Just fact checking.
If you accused him of not being good enough with ball in hand, I might agree. If you accused him of missing tackles I would agree but point out he gets targeted more than most. If you accuse him of effectively cheating and not attempting tackles to allow the opposition to score....then I'll call you out on it as its clearly not true.

And you did start with "am I correct". I was just answering you.

Is said he chose not to make any effort, I did not use the word cheat. Making an effort near your line is much more crucial than in other areas. As I said, you seem to be the club apologist.

I'd say that's the same thing but again, you asked the question. I gave you my opinion.

not quite sure what's going on with Wakey - but one thing is for sure Toulouse are improving and Corey Norman is going to make a massive difference to that side. Toulouse forwards looked much much fitter than they did at the start of the season, their line speed was way up on what it was earlier in the year. Normans short range kicking alongside Alberts was very very good, and they got more repeat sets out of us than any other side this season. Once Corey Norman gels in terms of his link ups with the rest of the side then Toulouse will start to pick up some points, for his first game he definitely stood out, and him and albert look like a really good pairing. I'd love him at Hudds.
Wakey somehow need to get back to the start of the season / end of last, they are looking like they are already breaking up before the season is half way through.

Miller is still giving 100% to the team ,the tackle on the Leeds winger when it looked as if he was in the clear proved that .Every game it's the same players that get the agro for there performance .,when week in week out players get away with poor performances and do not get a mention

You beat me to that. Think we spilled the ball on half way and Leeds picked up and shipped the ball out to the wing. Lyne and Lineham were left for dead but Miller chased down Hardaker (?) and made a certain try saving tackle.