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| Over the last few months it would appear that Mr Fifita may be deliberately getting involved in various dodgy aspects in order to "work his ticket" and add amunition to enable a move. Would have expected much better behaviour from messrs. Kirmond and Miller. Disgraceful!!!
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| Quote ="jonh"If this doesn’t constitute gross misconduct I’d be surprised.
Repeat offenders must have had some form of disciplinary action in the past and received warnings.'"
I’d like to think so, who knows
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| Quote ="Redscat"Over the last few months it would appear that Mr Fifita may be deliberately getting involved in various dodgy aspects in order to "work his ticket" and add amunition to enable a move. Would have expected much better behaviour from messrs. Kirmond and Miller. Disgraceful!!!'"
This is the bit I can’t understand though. I’m sure mc would just let him go if the opportunity arose. You lose one of your main problems and gain back his hefty salary to use elsewhere. I just don’t think there’s any takers for him
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| Reminds me of the Tim Smith/ Kevin Locke incident a few years ago which resulted in both of them being sacked and I think at least two other current players were also present ??
For me, they should all be fined something like £1000 each which should then be donated to Wakefield Hospice or some other similar worthy cause ??
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| Firstly the clubs stated it will deal with the matter internally and that's enough for me.
I just don't get why people need blood, it's a situation that will be dealt with.
I have followed the rules as I understand them and that's in
Essex tier. 4. I feel uncomfortable having to go out to the supermarket when social distancing seems to be non exsistant.
Let the club deal with it but let's be honest some of the suggestions from the fans are totally over the top.
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| I was speaking to a “friend” of mine who worked at the club up until fairly recently.
He has moved to a job with another club.
He was telling me when he took his first session at his new club he was amazed that all the lads were not only there on time, but were actually there 30 minutes early to warm up first.
He was embarrassed as he was the last one there for the session despite being 15 mins early on his first day.
He had only ever been involved at Trinity and assumed it was normal for some players to rock up 10-20 minutes late and not prepared.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"Firstly the clubs stated it will deal with the matter internally and that's enough for me.
I just don't get why people need blood, it's a situation that will be dealt with.
I have followed the rules as I understand them and that's in
Essex tier. 4. I feel uncomfortable having to go out to the supermarket when social distancing seems to be non exsistant.
Let the club deal with it but let's be honest some of the suggestions from the fans are totally over the top.'"
We are stuck in a cycle where this happened and the same faces are involved.
“Needing blood” is sadly a necessity if we are to correct the culture.
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| Quote ="FIL"
For me, they should all be fined something like £1000 each which should then be donated to Wakefield Hospice or some other similar worthy cause ??'"
Probably the most sensible and prudent response on this thread
Yep they done bad, most serious crime is the stupidity of posting it in Instagram.
Don’t think sacking solves the problem, a big fine and public apology is probs the best solution
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| If the hints are correct it’s not the first time (mopseys post) and with the bad press coming down on the club - think in MC’s shoes and if you were a corporate sponsor would you want to put your name alongside this lot - you would think it’s close to the brink for some of the players
Certainly one of the players the performance on the pitch isn’t making up for the performance off it.
As stated earlier difficult for the club. If franchising were still in place I’d be thinking the “tick-tack” however with relegation in place in play we may hold back.
I bet in the NRL they would be out on their backsides but over here the player pool is that thin if we got rid some other club would likely pick them up and strengthen.
Agree a culture change is needed.
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| The players involved have no thoughts or respect for anyone including there own families, that is so scary, listen boys COVID is not a game this is seriously bad,, this KILLS people
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| Quote ="jonh"There is clearly huge discipline issues at the club.
Once more the club is trying their hardest off the field but the lads on it just think they can do what they want when they want.
The tail is wagging the dog and there needs to be a culture change at the club, but that takes time.
The process had to start now though and the club need to put their foot down by setting an example.
Repeat offenders need to be gone, they clearly have no respect for the club.
The tail is wagging the dog.
The only way we change that is by taking a hit on those players refusing to fall in line.
It may affect results short term but never a better opportunity to clear out the ringleaders whilst Leigh are in the league with so little time to prepare for a SL season.
If the club don’t act the culture will never change it will just continue to be a destructive cycle.'"
There is a recent interview on Trinity TV, and without looking at them again I’m not sure if it was MC,JM orCC, who said they and the club wanted to get the right players who would bring the right attitude to buy into the culture oo the club, believing the players already here already had the right attitude and culture beliefs. It’s the club management and most of the other players who have been let down by a few idiots. I’m a diehard Trinity fan, but those responsible for lack of discipline, need bringing to book. It’s been done before, remember Tim Smith, and that New Zealand full back whose name escapes meat the moment.
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| Quote ="Cats13"If the hints are correct it’s not the first time (mopseys post) and with the bad press coming down on the club - think in MC’s shoes and if you were a corporate sponsor would you want to put your name alongside this lot - you would think it’s close to the brink for some of the players
Certainly one of the players the performance on the pitch isn’t making up for the performance off it.
As stated earlier difficult for the club. If franchising were still in place I’d be thinking the “tick-tack” however with relegation in place in play we may hold back.
I bet in the NRL they would be out on their backsides but over here the player pool is that thin if we got rid some other club would likely pick them up and strengthen.
Agree a culture change is needed.'"
Way out of proportion.
Fine them. Heavily by all means. Make them take a test and make them isolate.
And educate them too.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Way out of proportion.
Fine them. Heavily by all means. Make them take a test and make them isolate.
And educate them too.'"
Depends where you are on the spectrum with the scenario and while some people may not have been affected by the pandemic, unfortunately my personal experience has been pretty harrowing and as such I’m probably on the less forgiving side of things I’m afraid. I appreciate some people may be at the opposite end.
Personally I’m fed up of people doing what they want, not giving two hoots about anyone else, and flouting the laws.
I know at my place of work if I was found to be going against the law, and brought covid into the workplace I would expect to be at the job centre. If my place of work got a video of pretty much the same thing I might expect the same even if I didn’t bring covid in, purely down to the fact we have had it drilled
Into us to follow the government advice outside of work, and protect business continuity, or face disciplinary action.
Maybe the club don’t care less if the carefree attitude brings covid in and shuts the training group down for two weeks? I’d be surprised.
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| Quote ="Cats13"Depends where you are on the spectrum with the scenario and while some people may not have been affected by the pandemic, unfortunately my personal experience has been pretty harrowing and as such I’m probably on the less forgiving side of things I’m afraid. I appreciate some people may be at the opposite end.
Personally I’m fed up of people doing what they want, not giving two hoots about anyone else, and flouting the laws.
I know at my place of work if I was found to be going against the law, and brought covid into the workplace I would expect to be at the job centre. If my place of work got a video of pretty much the same thing I might expect the same even if I didn’t bring covid in, purely down to the fact we have had it drilled
Into us to follow the government advice outside of work, and protect business continuity, or face disciplinary action.
Maybe the club don’t care less if the carefree attitude brings covid in and shuts the training group down for two weeks? I’d be surprised.'"
Don't get me wrong. It bugs the hell out of me that people don't follow the rules.
You can check the 150 pages worth of me arguing with Miro about it.
However that doesn't mean they should lose their job. Nor should you. Unless your job is a specific job that needs you to, like a doc on the covid ward etc.
The law says you are warned first, then fined if you keep doing it. I'd expect the club to come down hard on them and make an example but not a knee jerk tear up contract. That'll soon go to court. And we'd lose unless it's specifically in the contracts.
I would very much like a team full of players that care about each other and show some sense. And if I were Chester or MC I'd be angry and feel let down.
I haven't seen the video and of course don't know what the club have found in the investigation but I might be looking at a new Captain and this would definitely be considered when looking at new contracts and to be honest when picking the team.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Don't get me wrong. It bugs the hell out of me that people don't follow the rules.
You can check the 150 pages worth of me arguing with Miro about it.
However that doesn't mean they should lose their job. Nor should you. Unless your job is a specific job that needs you to, like a doc on the covid ward etc.
The law says you are warned first, then fined if you keep doing it. I'd expect the club to come down hard on them and make an example but not a knee jerk tear up contract. That'll soon go to court. And we'd lose unless it's specifically in the contracts.
I would very much like a team full of players that care about each other and show some sense. And if I were Chester or MC I'd be angry and feel let down.
I haven't seen the video and of course don't know what the club have found in the investigation but I might be looking at a new Captain and this would definitely be considered when looking at new contracts and to be honest when picking the team.'"
Can I ask you how many times are you happy to be let down as a fan this is happening too much, it doesn't matter which player it is it's happening too many times now within the club
Over in Aus back packers was in danger of losing their visas, imagine if the same happened over here with this lot
Embarrassing
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| Quote ="snowie"Can I ask you how many times are you happy to be let down as a fan this is happening too much, it doesn't matter which player it is it's happening too many times now within the club
Over in Aus back packers was in danger of losing their visas, imagine if the same happened over here with this lot
Embarrassing'"
Exactly.
A one off is maybe excusable.
To continue to just defy the rules and regulations isn’t.
Talk of “education” makes me laugh these are grown men! How many times do they need educating?
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| I just wonder what the rest of the squad that stuck to the rules think of their team mates that flaunted them in the faces of the loyal fans.
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| Can imagine most involved will get a fine. However, given his previous antics I think it’s quite clear a change of scenery might be best for Fifita.
If I was Wakey I’d be looking to do a player swap. However clubs might not be as reluctant to want him given the constant issues.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"I just wonder what the rest of the squad that stuck to the rules think of their team mates that flaunted them in the faces of the loyal fans.'"
I wonder what the Wakey fans feel like who bought new season tickets and donated Last years season tickets money.
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| I have not seen the video but I presume that the party was in a player’s house. I agree what they did was wrong but how many on here can say that they have not broken one of the many laws brought in since March. The players and their spouses are in fact lesser of a risk to the general public than most because they will be regularly tested and spend a lot of time in each other’s company both indoors and out. When they are in the presence of the general public I have no information that they do so in breach of the COVID-19 conditions of wearing a mask etc.
The biggest risk to them and those on here with children is the infections in schools.
I regret that I expect this type of noncompliance will grow among the general public because people are getting frustrated at what appears to be a worsening situation with no actual end in sight. I know we have the vaccine but even this is being questioned because of the suggested extension to the application of the second dose to three months. I even heard today that they were even thinking of mixing vaccines between the two doses.
We are not in a position to go around terminating contracts, which in this case would not be justified even for those with a personal grudge against specific players.
What they did was wrong but they will not be the last.
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| Over the new year loads of sports players have been reprimanded for breaking COVID-19 guidelines, think a fine and telling off are the norm in these unprecedented time’s. They’ve been daft and let themselves and the club down but bet they’re not on their own.
Up the Trin
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| Quote ="Willzay"I wonder what the Wakey fans feel like who bought new season tickets and donated Last years season tickets money.'"
Feel like they’ve been daft but don’t get rid they’re good players that can win us matches.
Up the Trin
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| Quote ="Wakefield City"Feel like they’ve been daft but don’t get rid they’re good players that can win us matches.
Up the Trin'"
If the management at the club shares your opinion this will strengthen the culture of players thinking they run the show.
If it was the first indiscretion then I agree a fine and a warning would be appropriate.
We know in some cases it isn’t their first or even second discretion though.
At some point to get control back the senior management team have to be prepared to take decisive action or we will forever be in this cycle.
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| The ideal time to give the captaincy to Jay Pitts. he was captain at london, he is a local lad and has the respect of most of the players.
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| Quote ="jonh"If the management at the club shares your opinion this will strengthen the culture of players thinking they run the show.
If it was the first indiscretion then I agree a fine and a warning would be appropriate.
We know in some cases it isn’t their first or even second discretion though.
At some point to get control back the senior management team have to be prepared to take decisive action or we will forever be in this cycle.'"
Could you enlighten me with regard to these other 'indiscretions'.
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