Dont give him oxygen.
He clearly hasnt got over such a poor team beating his side on their own "turf" and his friend Denis being yet another "lose to Wakefield and you're sacked" casualty.
I think this is why so many sides dont enjoy playing Trinity.

Some day, they will realise that given our resources, we're not such a bad side.

Wane was so nervous, that he jumped before they played us

A simple response to that would be that he was in charge of 25 Super league games in 2017, and you won 9 of them and lost 13... That is a 36% win record. So far this season without Kear, he has managed 7 wins out of 16 - 43% so that is an average record of around 39.5%.

With Kear on board you managed 19 wins from 32. A near 60% winning ratio. It is clear as day that you are missing Kear big time but like I say you wont admit it.

You seem to be forgetting that we started the season with Brian Smith as our head coach.

Chris Chester first game for us was about round 9. Up to that point we were bottom with 1 win.

I think he has been missed a little, but not to the extent you make out.

My only criticism of him at this point, was his tinkering with the side and swapping the halves round a little too often.

can't believe you even bothered to work that one out, I'd be more bothered with your own club now you got rid of croaky

I can see this game going to be a very difficult one for Wigan now a second video being released, just wondering do we still have any stocks in Wakefield, I expect a workman like performance from them, I'd make sure S Tomkins has the ball most of the time if i was in their squad

Not by those that matter at Widnes apparently, whose Wifi are you using today

Well I'm hardly going to name him - he'd never tell me anything ever again!

Also, he's still involved in the game and doing very well for himself, thank you very much.

Well I am going to name someone, my brother is very very good friends with Chris Dean who has made it very clear that Betts brought the best out of him, "a brilliant guy".

Well there you go!

If Betts has made Chris Dean the player he is, he is indeed the Messiah.

Chris Dean would not get in any other SL team, and it's clearly "brilliant" that Betts keeps his players in their comfort zones.

Stop being narrow minded just because he was the coach of another club...

"Betts is an abysmal coach. A friend who played under him at Widnes describes him as totally clueless."

Well there you go

if your friend (who you refuse to mention) has Betts down as totally clueless, he is indeed the Messiah.

It works both ways, he's obviously been doing something right to keep the job and get involved in the England set up and finish above us on a few occasions.

Give over he totally got you that time.

Betts kept his job because he is cheap and Widnes are a club with low aspirations.

I refuse to be drawn on naming people, but my friends "star is rising", as they say.

Betts was dumped from the England set-up, long before he was dumped by Widnes.

What are you on about Vastman?

He's pretty much said because Chris Dean wouldn't get into another Super League side, Betts can't be praised for bringing the best out in him. (Regardless of the standard) There are other aspects to being a coach than winning games i.e player development.

Apparently Tautai and Flower will drop out of the 19, which is good for us as there pack was quite light weight to begin with.

I wonder how that will affect our game plan.

It's easy to say we should go with a big pack and just stream roll them but I think I might be tempted to downsize the bench so that we have good fast defenders in the team too. I certainly wouldn't put PP in the second row this time.
Bateman and Farrell are small but are good strong defenders. If they can take the hits they will run round us on attack.

I'm torn, I thik we match Wigan pretty well, but half back/pivots will be the challenge again. They have some creative players at 1, 6, 7, 9 and 13. That is where they will beat us if they are to do so. We need to show our best in that area to give our big forwards and fast backs a chance of showing their worth.

Sutton maybe injured too

Sutton is injured, 6-8 weeks which is a relief as it looked like he might have wrecked a knee earlier in the week.

I bet nobody can guess who the ref is.

Shame about Tautai being out - he's always good for a penalty or a dropped ball at a crucial moment.

As for the ref - shouldn't even be an issue; just don't give him any reason to get involved.

You're right about the ref, we've had him that many times the players should know what to avoid.

'Tis Child

I would like to have Thaler at least once this season based on the fact he's the best one there (and nothing to do with the supposed rumour his family support Wakefield).

I really don’t want to encourage you to stay on this board any longer than necessary BUT.... your maths is poop!
I can’t be bothered to check your figures but, according to you, he (Chester I assume) won 9+7 games out of 13+16 (so 16 out of 29) which is 55% not 39.5.
55% to 60% is hardly “clear as day”. But I don’t suppose you’ll admit it.

There's only 2 points to gain from this game
If we win it the talk will be how Wigin were crap
If we lose it the talk will be that we were crap
There is no winning, just the 2 points