Who is the crazy one? You're probably right it is me willing to support this garbage.

I meant Agar not you

A player who blames things that happen on other players and doesn't have the bottle to catch a ball on the full.

Finished 46-24.

Very disappointing!!

On a positive note Godinet and Sammut seem to have performed and created lots plus kicked the goals?..

It was always going to be difficult today but if we can't get 17 out of our best 19/20 players in the squad onto the pitch week in week out then we will continue to struggle. The ones we do put on the pitch must play only in their natural positions IMHO. Shulver is a prop was he injured?

The pivots will struggle if we don't have the ball in our hands through all the errors/ penalties conceeded to the opposition or our forwards don't create the go-forward required for them.

Wigan seemed to score off virtually every error or penalty we gave away in the first half...

I fear that is a question that only Mr Agar can answer.

Unfortunately it appears Mathers is one of the untouchables when it comes to team selection.

Mathers as discovered by numerous coaches is a very poor fullback.

But the team problems start and finish with the head coach and the board who saw fit to extend Agars contract last September.
The defensive and attacking structures seem non existant.
Discipline is poor.
Team selections are verging on the ridiculous.
His teams seem tactically naive.

Most coaches fall into one of two brackets,tactically aware or motivators,a few having both qualities,but Agar coached teams appear not to be tactically aware or motivated.

Irrespective of the quality of personnel we have,i fear for us this season,because Agar quite simply doesnt possess the attributes to turn that personnel into a decent team.

Ive no doubt it will be trotted out...................give him time,so the team can gel.We dont have time and even if we did that wont alter Agars lack of ability.

In a nutshell,many of us shook our heads in disbelief when he was appointed,he was gash then,he was gash when he was given a new contract and he will still be gash at the end of this season.

Max Jowitt debut next week?

Agars neck on the line me thinks. Not sure you can blame him for everything but he will pay with his job if things don't improve over the next 3 to 4weeks. I'm not one to put the boot in but many will. I would have liked to have been able to judge him without any off field issues, resulting in on the field issues. His team selection seems to come in for the most stick, but does he have that many options. Anyway I didn't expect a result today, but you do expect effort. It would seem too many players had an off day. It's also strange how some players go missing when the chips are down. Next

The contract extension when he still had a year left was the puzzling one for me.
We read reports that the players 'like' him.
Maybe this is the problem.
Some get preferential treatment whilst others get the short straw.
He seems to be able to spot good players but doesn't know how to get the best out of them.

Kath Hetherington influence?

The scoreline flattered us. Wigan's fatigue factor in the second half saved us from a fearful tonking and two of our own tries came from breakaways when Wigan had the ball. It's the same mistakes every week, poor handling and dumb penalties that cost us, seriously we must be the dumbest team ever to set foot on a rugby field.

I feel for Agar a bit with the lack of front row options available but putting Walshaw there was not the answer. Trout played much of his junior rugby there, he would have been a better bet. Very poor, I expected more this week, not necessarily a win but to see some cohesion between the halves and the backs. It didn't happen and it needs to pretty damn quick. In fact starting next week.

On the plus side Sammut looked dangerous with the ball in hand, on the minus Godinet didn't. McShane didn't have a good game at all and Wildie really needs to be on the bench to spell him. Oh and Richie Mathers, either grow a pair or do the decent thing and retire now.

Have Bradford any more we can have because I think we need them.

Did we really have a front row issue or did Agar select not to play some forwards who had come up with 'knocks'. Bet we see all these players next just like the last few times we've played Wigan away

My thoughts exactly...

Well I don't see why Agar would lie about it only have 2 props is going to make any side struggle.
Annakin out with knee as is Anderson.
Moore hamstring, when's he going to be back?
Raleigh last minute hamstring I believe.

Thought Ryan was either a prop/second row? Why didn't he start at prop with his experience there instead of Walshaw?

Needed our strongest possible pack to start and should have realised Wigan would throw everything at us first half. Never mind onwards to the big pack of Les Cats who are desperate for a win also.

Played majority of his games in the NRL at backrow. You'd think of his size he would be a prop but some imports who comes over are classed as utility forwards find out its alot tougher over here when played front row for ex. Mitch Achurch.

He is a decent attacking full back...unfortunately that is not the primary function of a full back as I don't need to tell any of you. Ask yourself the question, do you feel confident in your full back when a bomb goes up? Do you feel you have a great last ditch tackller..which is another thing you want fom a class full back? Does he pre-empt the trouble with vision? No to all. He is a wafer thin full back who joins the line well and attacks ok but offers you no reliability, your no.1 thing for a no.1...that said, if this relates to anything connected to today, I wasn't there so I can't comment on today, just his entire pevious perfomance since joining us.

I totally agree though it gives me no pleasure at all to be witnessing another Wakefield massive error of judgement. The best investment we could have made during the break was to pay his last year off. I am utterly at a loss to see what on earth posessed the club to offer him another 3 years. 7 match winning run.. big deal. Another 50+ games of utter ineptitude, excuses, facial grimaces on sky sports games that drive me mad, platitudes about great team spirit...but disjointed, disorganised performances on the field that leave you feeling there is no real plan or hope..just the same old rubbish. I didn't go today. The result could have been worse I suppose but pretty poor all the same. 3 years is more than we can probably afford to rid ourselves of this blight on our hope. You idiots for giving him that contract is all I can say

And we watched how Hull played against us in the year before we appointed him with our weakest team in seasons..and we still gave him a job!

If only we could leave him there..permananetnly

3 games in...Richard Agar should have been sacked at the end of last season. The performances were largely abysmal last season. I'm sory, Stop signing players we probably can't affod and get rid of Agar. We will stand a better chance

Francis Cummins maybe?

On the upside;

Tautai had his best game in the RW&B by quite some margin - if he plays like that every week, happy days.

Sammut showed what he can do and it was great to see him making breaks - and credit to Foxy for going with him in support; if we get used to doing that, he'll create a few more. Plus he kicked goals from all over the park.

Godinet looked enterprising at times - just needs to be more decisive; a couple of times he looked in two minds and ended up doing nothing. Great interception though (again - obviously a speciality) and some good attempts near the line; if that short ball had stuck for Smith, it was a certain try.

Reece Lyne (bear with me) - absolutely blistering pace down the wing to score; if he can find a way to get out of the 'avoid a mistake' style of play he seems to prefer and learn to back himself, he could still make an impact.

Daniel Smith - a really impactful young forward; could be looking at another Amor if he continues to develop.

Jordy Crowther - a great debut; took his opportunity well and did not let himself down in any way. One to watch.

I'm not excusing the team performance, which was poor, but it's important to acknowledge that it wasn't all bad; there were some individuals worthy of praise. With Raleigh, Anderson and Collis back in the mix and Scruton added in, we've got the ability.

Attitude however looked poor from some people who should know better; I'd like to see our players fighting harder to get up from the floor when attacking and in defence, do some of the things that other teams do to us in week in week out to slow the ptb down; we don't seem to have much gamesmanship in us and whilst I don't advocate cheating, it is a bit like an arms race - for example, how many times did Wigan flirt with obstruction yesterday by having men in the line - but only get pinged for it once? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em?

Thanks for that reasoned assessment Bren.
I too think that Lynne has got something ......remember the try against Saints.