Taxi for the board I think. One way to M&S.

Even though we are a [iespecially[/i bad patch at the minute I still believe that Kear is a top quality coach and one of Wakefield's best assets.

- However, I would like one of the posters [iin the know (cough) well - the ones who claim they do - the ones who come on the forum state things about having inside knowledge, but oooooo I can't tell you - look how important I am[/i to give some genuine insight into the thought process/situation with Brough.

When the DB was been mooted - I remember been quite shocked - with him we could push top 4, have a play off game, maybe win one,maybe make the cup semi, - play in front of some decent crowds despite the [ivery[i steep ticket price. Without him, drop out of the 8, became a glorified Harlequins, maybe finish 9/10th in front of abysmal crowds. All with franchise applications coming up. The prize money for positions alone, would have been significantly more than we recieved for DB - never mind the drop in gates.

While I don't think the 'board' have the nouse to realise this (i have an image of a [iBread[/i style family discussion around the kitchen table, mainly about M&S) I think that Kear probably did - so to alleviaite some of the frustraiton some of the fans are feeling - quite simply - what's the real story? I have heard the money rumours - but he was contracted to the end of the year - so what happened that meant we did not force him to see it out?

Agree with that bit, also we have had three of our best players from start of season taken and not replaced them with like...Newton/ Tronc/ Brough thats whats hurting us and no doubt John Kear too, HE had no control over those. We need to replace them with like players instead of settling for second best all the time. Even die hards have had enough. As an accountant for me Newton £ + Tronc £ + Brough £ does not equal Kirmond £ + Gledhil £ + Leano £

DA

Sorry I also forgot and probably many others have too.

When at HKR we were terrible thats is up to Brough getting sent off, then hey presto we start to look good and win.

Loosing DB did not set us back as much as people think.


The problem is that Cooke has set us back and I really think we would have been better if we had not even bothered to get a replacement for Brough.

Your post would seem far more credible if you got your facts right. There is no more prize money for league position so the financial side of your agrument isn't correct.

Also Brough had a sulk on and it would have been a smart move to keep paying him whilst injured or playing in the reserves till the end of the season.

So like I said before letting him go wasn't the problem its the poor replacement what is.

I dont like kear but its not his fault half the side are past it or not good enough to be in superleague, you can only work with the budget youve got.

Thought we were told Cooke was not for Brough especially as one a scrum half and one a stand off. who decides ......Ted/ JK/ Mick Robinson its very confusing

Too much is made of one performance in one game by Brough - he did far more good on the pitch in his spell here. It would be like comparing Korkidas to a world class prop for one run against Hull 6 years ago.

As you say, the key is not Brough going, but not replacing him.

You know something we dont?lol

I agree Feline,some people suggest people are crawling out of the woodwork or arent "proper supporters" when they critisize Kear.I ve had a season ticket for 25 years,ive booked and paid to follow my team in France,i have an addiction to my hometown club.I totally take on board that the player disruptions have not helped,but even these aside i dont think Kear is now getting the best out of what we have.I will be forever grateful to him for saving us from relegation,but some of his "coaching" decisions,tactics and selections leave me feeling hes been here too long.

Well clearly letting him go is a problem, as since we have sold him we have gone to pot.

So you're stating that Brough categorically said if you do not allow me to go then I will refuse to play? If this is the case - what had broken down to make a player act in such unproffessional manner.

Prize money or no prize money- the financial argument is still sound - 4 v 10th cup semi, play offs...

I agree a different opinion doesn't make them idiots.
What makes them idiots (and I realise that word is too strong) is the short term view of a coach who has been very successful with us but with some external issues that he didn't ask for now causing some problems for the team, they all call for his head.
If we don't win another game all season I could understand some unrest but we are a long way from that. We were good a few weeks ago, we aren't now.

At the beginning of the season a lot of coaches were moaning about poor preparation because their practise games were cancelled because of the weather. They all said it would take some time to adjust. Well if missing two practise games makes such a difference, surely losing your key playmaker during the season and then biggest off loader and also losing hooker through other personal reasons will have a bigger influence.

What would benefit the club most would be support from the fans in tough times. Not asking for sack after a few weeks poor results.

We have a policy at wakefield when a player makes it obvious he wants away let em go. I agree with that.

You only have to see how Tronc performed in the final weeks. You can't risk your higest earner doing that for the best part of the season!

I'll say it once more, an half decent replacement and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Sorry forgot to add.. you get nothing for the play offs either so finacial arguemt dosn't stack up

who were we good against. jk signed johnson,morrison, king, newton add latu to them allinjury prone players,he signed this squad. we have no tactics 5 drives and a kick, its boring rubbish. have you seen our crowds

From what I heard Cookes biggest backer was JK.

Other point the game has changed they are all half backs nowadays in all fairness

Anyway Its sunny and I'm off out now so I would just like to leave you all with a thought.

"one player dosn't make a team, but one player can disrupt it."

KEAR OUT NOW

I would say you are getting boring with this one but that happened long ago.

Another ludicrous sack the coach thread - great.

Again I don't see how anyone can realistically expect a team to lose its best forward, star creative player and have another important signing banned, to just carry on the form that they started with.

Yes we lack creativity, yes a lot of the signings look suspect, but we are a team in turmoil. We'll have spent all pre season working on attacking moves based on Broughs kicking game and Troncs hard running and offloading game. Now both unavailable to us through no real fault of Kear. If a player turns down the best offer you can make and makes it clear he wants out, forcing him to play does no one any favours.

Tactically, we dominated the game last night - and yes it is tedious, but until we can get some decent runs and smart set plays implemented then it might be our lot for the time being. Kear just needs time to sort it out, its a right mess at the minute but should have faith in the man who has brought us so far forward in the last few years.

The "oh yeah but thats all in the past" brigade - what a load of crap! Just happy clappy supporters who are all fine when the team are doing well, then as soon as we have a bad run then start getting on the coach/players backs. Just give the man a chance to sort it, if we get to the end of the season and we are still doing 4 drives and a kick THEN you can call for his head. Just have a little faith.

Thats where i would disagree -- the form is actually the same.Apart from the Leeds game and HKR second half,i think we have been pretty poor on the pitch.
Ground out some wins against some poor/injury ravaged teams earlier in the season -- but the performances were none the less pretty average.

We are absolute turd at the moment. The fact that we couldn't beat the worst Hull side I've seen in a long time is worrying. Yet again we've built a decent side and then seen it ripped apart. As people say we need answers as to where the money from these players has gone/is going to be spent. We have been in much worse situations but never has the morale of supporters been so low if we are going to continue to sell/release our best players and serve up the crap that we have been then those who have supported the club through thick and thin deserve answers.

I think the style of Rugby right now is a tactical decision to the recent upheavels, keep it tight, compress the middle, kick, try and force an error - because simply we have to go into consolidation while we do a pre-season's work mid-season.

Take the Jeffrie situation now - great player while as a 6 runner off the ruck, play second fiddle to Brough's marshalling and not having to guide the team around the park - but now do you play him 7 again, put the ball in his hands tactically and essentially get the player we booed out of the club a couple of season ago.

Likewise the centre Millard, seems his one asset was to catch the high ball - without a half decent kicker we're now stuck with a powder-puff one trick pony centre.

There might not be prize money, but there is additional gate income. The majority of gate receipts from the playoffs are pooled & then redistributed based on where clubs finish in the various stages of the playoffs.

Aside from the above, success on the pitch drives local interest (& usually number through the turnstiles as a result) which again boosts direct income streams whether it be tickets, merchandise or most importantly sponsorship - after all how many businesses really want to see their names associated with sports teams that perform badly.

As for new ownership of the club all you have to do is ask yourself a very simple question - if you had the money right now to buy the club, would you really make that purchase when so much of the long term future depends on what happens this season? We already have contracts for the existing squad & the availability of players to bring in NOW isn't great either so any investment won't make too much difference this season, so for someone to buy the club now doesn't really make business sense. Similarly it doesn't make sense to buy the club before the franchise decisions are known.

I can't see any change of ownership until the back end of next year at the earliest as any buyer would consider the business practicalities of any purchase. We need to accept the fact that there'll be no changes at board level before then, so we need changes to either the playing or coaching staff (maybe both) from the current board & we need then before it's too late.

If kear goes it will be a downhill spiral to nothing IMO.

The fact of the matter is, we did our preseason assuming that Brough was our main playmaker and that Newton and Tronc were 2 key men in the pack. All 3 have gone, meaning that we have to start from scratch with different players in key positions.
In addition, we already had a high turnover of players at the end of last season and we are pretty much having to gel a new team together. Since the season bagan we have brought in Cooke, Kirmond, Gledhill etc, none of which were involved in the preseason and they therefore have to get used to our systems.

It will take time for JK and the team to figure out the right formula for the rest of the season and to incorporte the new players and their styles of play. I don't think any coach would have done any better when you consider all of the changes we have had.
I think that they will get there in the end, but it may take a few more games yet!

Sack Kear and the board and all the players, sorted.


Put the teddies back in the cot and do what fans do, SUPPORT the players (not Latu

) and coaching staff, Give Kear the RESPECT HE'S EARNED and give the bloke a chance to turn things around.

Its tough going for all of us and i'm not happy with some of the players/signings/tatics but WE ALL KNOW BEST DON'T WE.

to be fair to kear, he has lost a lot of his key players and therefore attacking options,

but.

he has signed almost all the current squad and should be able to work with them.

they competed with hull and dominated the game for long periods, without ever really looking like scoring. it looks to me like everything we do on the field is very ad-lib.

no offloads because there was no one to offload to!
no runners apart from the ball receiver(makes defending very easy)
no recognisable set pieces(after how many years of kear)
very poor kicking game and a lazy chase.

if we need players like DB because they think on their feet, then what exactly is happening on the training field?