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| Quote ="TFC"I couldn't give a rats ar$e if we share a stadium, as long as it gets built and Wakefield Trinity play in it for years to come.'"
I would say thats the right approach for any forward thinking person to make.
However try and tell that to our Cas cousins. Perhaps if they looked beyond the bullsyh te their CEO spouts out and approached the matter in
a positive way, they may also realise it could benefit them.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Says who?
Castleford and Wakefield sharing a stadium is no pointer to a merger. Tell you what, why don't you both keep your heads buried in the ground and wait for Barcelona, Paris or Johanesburg to replace you
A 12,000 seater stadium full for 26 rounds of SL, offering service opportunities to the Local community is better that watching both of them die....which believe me, will happen. I like Hell View and the Jungle, but let's face it, they are both fit for Bulldozing at best.'"
You miss the point.
Comparing Wakefield and Cas to Milan as Milan dont have a franchising sytem deciding which league they play in.
Lets say they did go for a joint stadium -- Barcelona,Paris and Johanesburg are still going to be waiting to replace teams (by your logic),so how would Super League create the space - encourage the two teams playing in a joint stadium to merge.
A joint stadium will over services to one community only - either Cas or Wakey.
Just what do schools and hospitals have to do with it?The clubs arent getting any money from central or local government.
But i grant you one thing -- the only way the clubs will ever consider a share - is if there are cast iron guarantees that merging will not be pushed and the criteria for a franchise will not change to adversly affect either clubs future applications.But would you trust the RFL??
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| Quote ="The Clan"Like so many others I don't want to see the two clubs merge under almost any circumstance.
I wonder if the financial incentive, that HullFC and Huddersfield benefited from, were still there would Castleford be more willing to merge with Wakefield? I think the incentive was £1 million or £1.25 million and a cherry pick from two squads of players.
I wonder if the thought has ever occured to the SLE member clubs and the RFL, who want room for expansion, to make a renewed offer to clubs to merge.
I doubt that either Governing body want to lose the support, community links, sponsorship and most importantly the youth development that exists alongside all current SL Clubs. Rather than risk losing all by excluding a club in the next round of franchising it's conceivable that they might reintroduce a financial carrot.
SKY TV would probably contribute towards a merger fund either directly or by way of increased TV money. It would suit their mandate for spreading the game and selling more dishes etc.
What if the figure on offer were £5million to a merged club?
Could any board of Directors afford to ignore that sort of money?
Would The Directors of Wakefield and Castleford suddenly find some common ground (forgive the pun).
They may see a merged club in ONE stadium with £5million in the bank as a solution to the immediate threat of one or both being kicked out in three years or the longer term threat that only two West Yorkshire clubs will survive the =redfurther expansion into Europe, Ireland, Wales and Scotland.'"
TBH Clan
Im not convinced it will happen in the next 25 years.
I dont believe we will see a self sufficient team in Scotland/Ireland or Europe(except France) in the forseeable future.
These counties need 50 years to develop the grass roots and have there own competitive and meaningful league.When they have developed the game at grass roots,then we may see a team.
The structure is only as good as the foundations its built on -- which is why i thought Celtic coming in to Super League was farcial.
If we continue as a sport to bring clubs into our premier league that have no foundations and alienate the clubs that do, how long before the grassroots and amateur scene dries up in areas like Castleford/Widnes/Halifax.
In my eyes most people that follow/support the game have grown up with it around them,either playing or watching their local team.We dont develop support at clubs like Quins and Celtic because the roots were not put there first.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"I would say thats the right approach for any forward thinking person to make.
However try and tell that to our Cas cousins. Perhaps if they looked beyond the bullsyh te their CEO spouts out and approached the matter in
a positive way, they may also realise it could benefit them.'"
i'm sorry but your post reeks of desperation - deep down i believe wakeforld RL needs cas to go on a joint venture in terms of a stadium much more then cas need wakey.
i firmly believe and have done for a long time our stadium (although taking a lot longer than envisaged) is going ahead and is only a matter of time before we see things progress quicker and for the species a brick being layed so to speak.
i think it's humourous that wakey fans such as your self spout about only one stadium and cas should join ours etc etc you have nothing yet (you say same about us) and its desperation to get us on board!!!
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Just what do schools and hospitals have to do with it?The clubs arent getting any money from central or local government. '"
Sorry, I was generalising. The point I was trying to make (badly) was that a stadium that gets used 26 times a season (more for play-offs) and offers something to the community, whilst clearing the development debt, has got to be better than 2 stadiums, used 13 times doing the same other stuff in an area that compares to some London Boroughs. It just seems insane.
The same goes for Leigh and the Goons....why build the new stadium that will lose money in the long run, when there is a state of the art one nearby?
I would never say that merger is the way forward....just common sense dictates that you will both be in the same situ in 2 years and one of you in danger of going down.
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Sorry, I was generalising. The point I was trying to make (badly) was that a stadium that gets used 26 times a season (more for play-offs) and offers something to the community, whilst clearing the development debt, has got to be better than 2 stadiums, used 13 times doing the same other stuff in an area that compares to some London Boroughs. It just seems insane.
The same goes for Leigh and the Goons....why build the new stadium that will lose money in the long run, when there is a state of the art one nearby?
I would never say that merger is the way forward....just common sense dictates that you will both be in the same situ in 2 years and one of you in danger of going down.'"
you have obviously not read Cas' latest statement or any made previous by the club, we are workign hard with local agencies and WMDC to ensure sufficient facilities are put into the stadium to make ours (Cas) a community staium which is capable fo being used 7 days a week! the thought of a stadium being used 13 times a season as you suggest is not viable!!!
our stadium will have a range of community facilities for local schools and business to use, amongst many more things such as function rooms banqueting suits and leisure facilities. with our stadium forming part of the glasshoughton development which includes Xscape (one UK's top tourist attractions) the stadium will be a 7 day a week facility which the whole community and business's will benifit from.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"I would say thats the right approach for any forward thinking person to make.
However try and tell that to our Cas cousins. Perhaps if they looked beyond the bullsyh te their CEO spouts out and approached the matter in
a positive way, they may also realise it could benefit them.'"
Are you going to be encouraging Wakey to join Cas at Glasshoughton then?
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| Both clubs have problems with funding whether they are prepared to admit it or not. A shared ground makes sense but the difficulty is where should it be located.
Glasshoughton has outline consent and is well located but is in Castleford and therefore unpalatable to Wakefield fans. Stanley whilst technically in Wakefield is almost equi-distant from Castleford Town Centre and Wakefield City Centre but will be percieved by Castleford fans as being in Wakefield.
The other problem in my opinion is that Richard Wright thinks a community stadium is a stadium that is owned by Castleford and sits in and can be used by the community rather that a facility that is owned by the Community or a Trust.
The Council cannot support one club and not the other so they are in a no win situation.
We therefore have an impass but if we both mess around long enough we both will end up with nothing and no franchise.
I would love to see both Wakefield and Castleford with new stadiums but I cannot see two new stadiums within a matter of miles from each other at Glasshoughton and Stanley
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| Quote ="Gazemous"Are you going to be encouraging Wakey to join Cas at Glasshoughten then?'"
I would, as long as it was co-owned! really couldn't care where it is TBH as long as it's in somewhere close to Wakefield. And seen as Glasshoughton is, no qualms from me.
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| This looks rather promising
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=14137[/url
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| Quote ="The Happy Hooker"This looks rather promising
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/article.php?id=14137[/url'"
and I want to build a 5 storey garden shed in my yard.....but
I can't afford it &
I have no planning permission.......ffs
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| Quote ="WRE"i'm sorry but your post reeks of desperation - deep down i believe wakeforld RL needs cas to go on a joint venture in terms of a stadium much more then cas need wakey.
i firmly believe and have done for a long time our stadium (although taking a lot longer than envisaged) is going ahead and is only a matter of time before we see things progress quicker and for the species a brick being layed so to speak.
i think it's humourous that wakey fans such as your self spout about only one stadium and cas should join ours etc etc you have nothing yet (you say same about us) and its desperation to get us on board!!!'"
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| Quote ="gutterfax"and I want to build a 5 storey garden shed in my yard.....but
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complete tool we have planning permission, completed feasability studies and now design briefs - wakefield are welcome to come join us at Glasshoughton!
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| Quote ="WRE"complete tool we have planning permission, completed feasability studies and now design briefs - wakefield are welcome to come join us at Glasshoughton!'"
Go get your tea, your getting boring now
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| Quote ="WRE"complete tool we have planning permission, completed feasability studies and now design briefs - wakefield are welcome to come join us at Glasshoughton!'"
Oh, so I have got an acchitect to draw me some nice plans and the local council have said they are fine.....oh shi7....where's that £30,000,000 I thought I had to pay for it
As for being a tool, I am a tool( AVAILABLE IN ALL GOOD HARDWARE SHOPS)......... who is well able to put aside stupid rivalry, admit when my team are wrong and not just spit my dummy out because I believe MY team have a god given right to be in the top flight.
You sir, are not even stocked in a pound shop! HTH
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| Quote ="gutterfax"Oh, so I have got an acchitect to draw me some nice plans and the local council have said they are fine.....oh shi7....where's that £30,000,000 I thought I had to pay for it
As for being a tool, I am a tool( AVAILABLE IN ALL GOOD HARDWARE SHOPS)......... who is well able to put aside stupid rivalry, admit when my team are wrong and not just spit my dummy out because I believe MY team have a god given right to be in the top flight.
You sir, are not even stocked in a pound shop! HTH'"
1. It's costing HALF of the number you put
2. There is funding from a few sources
3. Cas have more "right" to be a SL club then Quins (so do Wakey)
But lets not let that get in the way of your inane unfounded ramblings eh?
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| Quote ="Gaslight"1. It's costing HALF of the number you put
2. There is funding from a few sources
3. Cas have more "right" to be a SL club then Quins (so do Wakey)
But lets not let that get in the way of your inane unfounded ramblings eh?'"
Teams up to now earned the right to be in Super League by their performance on the field. Up to now Harlequins fulfil that criterion as do Wakefield and Castleford.
Their is no 'other' right
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| Quote ="Gazemous"Are you going to be encouraging Wakey to join Cas at Glasshoughton then?'"
No I don't suppose he will be!
and neither would anyone think that Castleford would share a stadium with Wakefield if it were at Ossett or some other location west of Wakefield City centre.
Stanley however is in virtual no mans land between the two.
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| Quote ="WRE"complete tool we have planning permission, completed feasability studies and now design briefs - wakefield are welcome to come join us at Glasshoughton!'"
You have outline planning permission
I could get outline permission to build a life size replica of the eiffel tower in my grandads alotment.
I hav'nt seen any publication of feasability studies, though I'll stand corrected if you point me in the direction of them.
A draft design brief
Are you seriously arguing that this is a major step forward?
I have a design brief for a Back to the Future style flux capacitor.
If only I had some plutonium and a lot of cash I might be able to make it a reality.
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| Quote ="The Clan"You have outline planning permission
I could get outline permission to build a life size replica of the eiffel tower in my grandads alotment.'"
With a view to full planning permission which will be granted upon completion of architect designs and design brief.
The feasibility study hasn't been published I believe, but has been completed - in fact it was completed last year.
Funding is in place from numerous areas including naming right, sale of the Jungle and another means which can't be said but a few Cas fans know what.
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| Quote [iTigers CEO Richard Wright said: “The design brief and schedule of facilities documents are important working documents that will now provide the basis upon which we can go forward and ultimately design and build the stadium. Whilst we have known for sometime the broad outline of what the new stadium will look like, together with its facilities, these documents turn those ideas into a practical working concept to now enable us to progress the matter to the next important stage.
“The draft of the design brief is now complete and we will be meeting with Waystone and Wakefield MDC in the next few weeks. The next key step is the appointment of a firm of architects and we plan to run a design competition and will be inviting interest from a number of Architects who we would wish to work with. We will be providing each with a copy of the design brief and asking them to provide an outline plan for us to consider, and ultimately select a firm to move forward with.”[/i'"
I'm sorry, I don't mean to be over sceptical and I do honestly wish Cas all the best but . .
This reminds me of an old comedy sketch where the police call a news conference as part of their UK wide hunt for the most dangerous serial killer we ever knew. When they get the press's attention they announce that they've come up with a nick name for the killer!
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| I would like to know how committed the WMDC is to the scheme, they was also committed to the new trinity walk development but made a complete farce of it, after sitting and listening to the meeting they made it clear that neither club would benefit from the WMDC but personally I wouldn't care if they did as long as ours was aided too
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| Can I just ask, would some of you be acting so cynical if it was Wakefield in Cas' position (whatever position that may be) ?
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| Quote ="Le Tigres"Can I just ask, would some of you be acting so cynical if it was Wakefield in Cas' position (whatever position that may be) ?'"
I am equally cynical about both projects and would be whichever club was involved. Wont believe either till I'm sat in them.
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| Quote ="snowie"I would like to know how committed the WMDC is to the scheme, they was also committed to the new trinity walk development but made a complete farce of it, after sitting and listening to the meeting they made it clear that neither club would benefit from the WMDC but personally I wouldn't care if they did as long as ours was aided too'"
WMDC had nowt to do with the financing of trinity walk, that was down to the developer Modus and the Irish government. Modus went to the Allied Irish bank for the finance who agreed to the deal, however when the bank went tits up in the credit crunch and was nationalised the Irish government pulled the plug on the finance in favour of investing in home developments.
As with our ground WMDC were really only enablers in bringing the relevant parties together, spending our money on the development was never on the agenda as far as the council was concerned, just as it isn't with our new ground, so commitment from the council will only go as far as helping to cut through the legal stuff as quickly as possible, the rest, as with Cas, is up to the developers, and their commitment will decide whether it gets built or not.
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