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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Yes but like Mopsey, I remember the early 80's it was horrible. Don't ever want to go through that again. The trouble is many think it will be a breeze to get back up, I am not too sure on that. Also I don't trust the game like I used to, Who knows once the chosen few at the top get their favoured clubs, there may not be a place for us and the draw bridge could shut. That's why I think it was totally irresponsible by Minards and Carter to go this most important season with such a poor squad and coach, I will never ever forgive them for that !!!'"
Exactly this !!!!!!
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Over our recent history we’ve been on the ropes so many times and been given a standing count ,and always managed to stagger on until now .As as a long suffering fan I feel a sense of relief which is weird to say we are heading into the unknown as a club , but things had to change ,break it down and build from the bottom up ,and this has been a wake up call like no other . The creaking gate has finally given up the ghost , but hopefully a new dynamic club will rise up from the ashes ,and give us all hope for the future and give us what we’ve wanted for far too long'"
We had a dynamic team only a few seasons ago unfortunately this was hollowed out over the last few years to reduce expenditure.
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| I was there in the 80s too and yes it was grim.
But it was mainly grim because we also watched the 79 team taken apart. It's all about expectation.
People were happier when we were just outside the playoffs because we'd been lower and I hope we get the enjoyment of the promotion season because it was competitive and we needed to be at our best to win it.
Same now. Relegation is doubly bad because we've watched them beat Wigan recently and we'll soon by at risk of losing to Keighley or Swinton (no disrespect intended)
However, if there is a time to be relegated I agree with Minards that this time we are more likely to succeed on IMG points than we are game winning points.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"Yes but like Mopsey, I remember the early 80's it was horrible. Don't ever want to go through that again. The trouble is many think it will be a breeze to get back up, I am not too sure on that. Also I don't trust the game like I used to, Who knows once the chosen few at the top get their favoured clubs, there may not be a place for us and the draw bridge could shut. That's why I think it was totally irresponsible by Minards and Carter to go this most important season with such a poor squad and coach, I will never ever forgive them for that !!!'"
Not wanting to sound like a broken record , without these two at the helm we probably wouldn’t have got relegated as we’d have folded more than likely ,and for that I’ll always be grateful to them ,and imo Ellis coming in at this late stage in the proceedings might yet be a master stroke as inflated long term contracts will be in the shredder and free up money and spaces which have been at a premium all season and get some players in who will play for the shirt instead of going through the motions as we’ve seen far too often these last seasons .
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"We had a dynamic team only a few seasons ago unfortunately this was hollowed out over the last few years to reduce expenditure.'"
Unfortunately we didn’t have a sugar daddy like most clubs ,so needs must
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Unfortunately we didn’t have a sugar daddy like most clubs ,so needs must'"
I'm not sure it was dynamic either. A bit of the good old days memory there.
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| I've been a season ticket holder for 60 years and I remember the grim times in the 80's. I'm not like some on here who seem to have a personal vendetta against board members. That is only dividing the fans not galvanising them. I'll be there next season and every season supporting the team.
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| Quote ="wakeytrin"I've been a season ticket holder for 60 years and I remember the grim times in the 80's. I'm not like some on here who seem to have a personal vendetta against board members. That is only dividing the fans not galvanising them. I'll be there next season and every season supporting the team.'"
Common sense prevails
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| Quote ="PopTart"However, if there is a time to be relegated I agree with Minards that this time we are more likely to succeed on IMG points than we are game winning points.'"
The moment it looks like a club who aren't currently in Super League will get an A grade is the moment they will change the grading criteria and weighting to stop it happening.
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"The moment it looks like a club who aren't currently in Super League will get an A grade is the moment they will change the grading criteria and weighting to stop it happening.'"
Clearly that is not true, they want as many A grades as they can. But Championship teams are aiming for a high B.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Clearly that is not true, they want as many A grades as they can. But Championship teams are aiming for a high B.'"
The aim is that the A grade is achieved by being balanced across all metrics, the moment a club tries to game the system by fielding a weak team and investing in other areas to gain the A grade will force them to review the grading criteria and weighting as having a poor team with a shiny stadium will negatively impact the perception of the sport as a whole and likely affect future revenue.
We've already seen a reduced TV deal, that deal will get even smaller if super league is full of low quality teams who have gamed the criteria to achieve promotion
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"The aim is that the A grade is achieved by being balanced across all metrics, the moment a club tries to game the system by fielding a weak team and investing in other areas to gain the A grade will force them to review the grading criteria and weighting as having a poor team with a shiny stadium will negatively impact the perception of the sport as a whole and likely affect future revenue.
We've already seen a reduced TV deal, that deal will get even smaller if super league is full of low quality teams who have gamed the criteria to achieve promotion'"
I get your point but where all the top players going to go?
But yes I can see them weighting the playing side one day but only when they have a league full of As.
I reckon it'll be 10 years with every team hitting their targets perfectly to get that.
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| Read the full interview on the Trinity website and it’s a good interview.
Up the Trin
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| I have got a copy of the official IMG grading form today, it's in excel format. Includes points for number of tik tok clicks amongst other things. Its layout is amateurish and to think this is the best IMG can come up with beggars belief. I can't believe the game is so desperate to go down this route
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"I have got a copy of the official IMG grading form today, it's in excel format. Includes points for number of tik tok clicks amongst other things. Its layout is amateurish and to think this is the best IMG can come up with beggars belief. I can't believe the game is so desperate to go down this route'"
Are you able to share it?
PM or otherwise?
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Quote ="Prince Buster"I have got a copy of the official IMG grading form today, it's in excel format. Includes points for number of tik tok clicks amongst other things. Its layout is amateurish and to think this is the best IMG can come up with beggars belief. I can't believe the game is so desperate to go down this route'"
Perhaps that's the one which the scores in input against which would need to be a working document. The grading criteria is on the RFL website here: GRADING CRITERIA - Rugby League https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/do ... B81%5D.pdf
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Quote ="Prince Buster"I have got a copy of the official IMG grading form today, it's in excel format. Includes points for number of tik tok clicks amongst other things. Its layout is amateurish and to think this is the best IMG can come up with beggars belief. I can't believe the game is so desperate to go down this route'"
Perhaps that's the one which the scores in input against which would need to be a working document. The grading criteria is on the RFL website here: GRADING CRITERIA - Rugby League https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/do ... B81%5D.pdf
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| Quote ="PopTart"https://wakefieldtrinity.com/john-minards-interview-with-james-obrien/'"
That full interview clearly puts JM's comments in to full context and IMO he is saying all the right things and making the right noises.
Good luck to him, I'll be at at least 2 trinity games next year (when the play Dewsbury) I'm still a wakey supporter and daily walk around in trinity merchandised clothing, I just became disillusioned with certain things and individuals after being a season ticket holder for 20 years, a player sponsor for 10 years, platinum member and comit6 contributor PDRL player and Community trust volunteer, I needed a break away from belle view so I could see the wood from the trees.
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| That sounds a shame ft and hopefully when all settles down you might change your mind. I have just read the jm article and to me it is a full and Frank interview who is clearly as passionate for the club as you and me.as pointed out elsewhere to me he needs to be around next year for all is k owledge on img which will be invaluable. End of the day from what you read it all boils down to money and afraid that is the same situation from semi pro upwards in all sports. Those with least eventually go down.
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| Every time i've seen JM speak he has come across as a knowledgeable and honourable man who has the grasp of the subject matter and only wants the best for his beloved Trinity. A bloke,who I personally,would want on my side.Could anyone else have squeezed more millions out of Yorkcourt,who knows,but for a long time it looked like we were going to get bugger all! Sure,we didn't get all we expected once the building started,but a rise in price of 30% for steel alone, suggests we did as well as could possibly be expected.Matt Ellis will obviously do what he thinks is best,but with John's ongoing input into the stadium and the fact that he's all over the IMG thing, wouldn't he be a massive asset? Don't know JM personally and have never spoken to him.
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| Agree Forevertrin.
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| Couldn't agree more
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| Minards along with Carter and Applegarth should not be involved in RL ever again.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Minards along with Carter and Appilegarth should not be involved in RL ever again.'"
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