3 wins (going back into last season) in 17 league games isn't the sign of a good SL coach... Kear got more with a worse squad...

But you can't ignore the slaughter of events prior to the season starting, it's 3 wins from 17 but the last 8 have been with an almost completely different squad. I'm not a fan of Agar but I won't use an unbalanced argument just to have a pop at him.

Same if not worse applied to Kear.

I'd say worse, had to rely on more kids (and maybe loans?)

Yep, think a raw boned Amor was one.

Well don't expect to see Joe Arundle and Jay Pitts because Radfords helped his old team out by allowing both to go to Bradford on a season long loan with no recall option.

I'd have liked us to bring Pitts back to Wakefield if possible.

To play where exactly? Fullback?

Second row or loose forward, we've got Kirmond carrying injury and we've lost Lauitiiti for a long time, then there's Washbrook who needs dropping. Pitts is home grown and would tick that box as well.

Pitts would be a better bet than Washbrook and Arundal than Lyne in the centre for me but given they are Richards favourites that would never happen anyway so would be a waste of money.

Greg Eden has just gone on loan to Salford as well, there could be an argument to say he would have been an option at fullback seeing how we seem to want more attcking threat there than Mathers offers and Sammut is probably our best option at stand off.

All about opinions though.

Richard Agar said we have a fit squad aside from Ali and Keinhorst.

Greg Eden gone to Salford on loan as well. Pitts could have done a job for you but i think Arudels confidence is shot since the serious shoulder job and he had a nightmare against Salford in defence. Has agar tried to loan any forwards? I know you've got Riley and Briscoe in the backs.

To be honest if we need any loan players its a couple of 3/4s

We already have two three quarters on loan that have offered nothing whatsoever to the team.
In fact we have plenty of our own crap, why borrow even more from other clubs ?

Because we don't have any funds, especially at this time in the season.

My 17 for Hull would be
20. Sammut
2. Fox
3. Collis
5. Lyne
31. Riley
29. Siejka
7. Godinet
8. Anderson
9. McShane
23. Smith
15. Ryan
12. Kirmond
26. Molloy
Subs
14. Wildie
22. Walshaw
17. Tautai
16. Moore

Scruton, Washbrook, Sykes, Raleigh and Mathers to miss out along with Annakin (toss up between him and Molloy for LF)

So, you'd drop Walshaw to sub's bench to make way for Lyne? How does that reward him for a good game against Huddersfield?

What a ridiculous question. You know we don't reward good performances, just drop them again for our "favourites".

Sorry, I must stop thinking!

The interesting thing is the players you have not picked. It is reasonable to drop them all after recent performances
however I bet their combined wages make up quite a chunk in our wage bill and they are also some of our senior players. To me it just shows how bad things have become.

The point I was trying to make is that if we had signed good loan players in the first place we would not need to be signing anymore. Also we got it wrong once so what's to say Agar will get it right with further loanees

Walshaw should be at centre with Collis with Lynne taking Fox's place on the wing. Moore should be starting at 10 with the form he has shown. Tautai is our best loose forward IMHO and it's not coincidence that when he's played there we've competed with the like of St.Helens.

Could this be the reason for the team taking time to 'gel'?
If you want players to get up to speed, you give them an incentive, like competition for places.
Apologise if I am raking over old muck!

I'm hoping to see Hull line up like this.

Shaul
Talanoa
Yeaman
Crooks
Crookes
Rankin
Miller
Paea
Houghton
Carvell
Ellis
Tuson
Westerman

Feka
Bowden/Whiting
Thompson
Heremaia

A game too early for Setimata Sa to make his Hull debut unfortunately. our props are real stand outs in most games barring the KR game. Westerman been our stand out performer and is usually mom each game he plays. Jordan Thompson is having a fantastic debut season for us. Honestly can't believe just how good he is. He's loving playing in the front row, and has said he's happy to make the transition there permanent.

How ironic that none of you can agree on our best 17 and where they should play.

are you Richard Agar