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| Quote ="try scorer"For about 2seasons now I've been criticised for bagging agar and some of our players, folk saying he's a good judge of a player well if he is he doesn't know what to do with em,Dewsbury and Batley shipped big scores against them against super league opposition but for an hour gave Wigan and cas a game,why cos they showed spirit were motivated by their coaches some thing our coach seems incabable of doing and while at the end were not quite good enough sent fans home happy for giving their all, not game over well before half time against opponents not out of first gear . we've let players out on loan our own lads ,failed to sign local lads who have come through our academy ,Wakey lads who might need working on to turn into superleague players but would show fight not like the gutless lot we've signed or loaned daddy cool says to those who criticise think where we were seven months ago, financially fair enough but playing wise no better and don't give me OnPaper that's no good'"
You have a point...also why loan out players like Trout, Walshaw and Wildie with a busy fixture list coming up and no clear settled team of 17? For me all three would be in the 17 next week and Wildie would have been on the bench today.
The team seem to lack spirit/fight.
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| What makes it worse, is that we as a team are getting shown up by a club in Bradford that has had the guts ripped out of it and still out perform us.
They lost 16-0 at HKR and 22-18 at Widnes.
Then we turn in performances like we do.
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| Quote ="fullofhope"I fear that although MC maybe a very astute business man,his knowledge of rugby league is somewhat lacking.
To my knowledge Michael Carter has done nothing in the world of business, he is the son of an astute business man was he not an accountant come to think of it the accountant under glovers reign and look at the state we were left in.
Would you get Gary Hetherington posting on an rl fans forum, no hes building a great club it seems to me very much like koucash there is a fair bit of ego going on here.'"
Call for Agars head on this thread, that's fine. The results are certainly not helping his cause and I understand the anger and frustration of fans. But a cheap dig at Michael is un called for!! Do you know what Michael did at Yorkshire Traction? Or listened to him at fans forums etc about his role in the last regime?
He has taken over something that places a huge burden upon himself & his family. The job he has done from near administration only months ago to now has been remarkable. He has done his up most to pay people & organisations that hadn't been paid, stopped us going into administration and put together a team that on paper are better than anyone could have imagined.
Things aren't perfect and neither is Michael but your opinion is very poor for mine...
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| The vast majority on here feel sorry for MC as we do for Snowie and his crew. Agar is destroying this club. With hindsight, that 7 match winning run that Andy Ellis inspired has left us up the creek. Agar would've been long gone by now.
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| Leeds put 60 on us without having to get out of first gear. None of the players looked as if they had any professional pride. For a team to come to your own ground on your own patch and stick 60 on you as collectively you rollover and take the spanking is a total disgrace. I am a season ticket holder and I swear if it wasn't that my old dad would be upset I would not even bother to watch another game under this coach. I cant bear watching such a lack of desire and pride.
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| Third worst home defeat in the club's history today.
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| Quote ="Mick Amos 9 WTW"Call for Agars head on this thread, that's fine. The results are certainly not helping his cause and I understand the anger and frustration of fans. But a cheap dig at Michael is un called for!! Do you know what Michael did at Yorkshire Traction? Or listened to him at fans forums etc about his role in the last regime?
He has taken over something that places a huge burden upon himself & his family. The job he has done from near administration only months ago to now has been remarkable. He has done his up most to pay people & organisations that hadn't been paid, stopped us going into administration and put together a team that on paper are better than anyone could have imagined.
Things aren't perfect and neither is Michael but your opinion is very poor for mine...'"
99% of people realise this and are fully behind MC. You can't please them all though.
The time is approaching though when he is going to have to make some big decisions as the natives are getting very restless and it will start to cost the club big time. The game on Good Friday will be the tipping point one way or the other.
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| After calming down I thought Leeds were nothing spectacular today, respected the ball well and dominated in posession from our stupid kick off's and poor decision making.
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| I've decided NOT to go to Headingley, I'm fed up!
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| did anyone really think we could upset leeds and beat them
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| Quote ="snowie"did anyone really think we could upset leeds and beat them'"
No but the least we can expect is 100% effort and some competency. We saw none of that and each of us had to shell out at least 20 quid for the privilege. Peoples patience is wearing very thin, if not shot already. 3 games Mr Agar. Good luck.
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| Quote ="snowie"did anyone really think we could upset leeds and beat them'"
I didn't - but equally, I didn't expect another complete capitulation; I don't mind getting beat by what is clearly a better side, but I can't stomach watching professional players roll over.
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| Quote ="Wakey Til I Die"No but the least we can expect is 100% effort and some competency. We saw none of that and each of us had to shell out at least 20 quid for the privilege. Peoples patience is wearing very thin, if not shot already. 3 games Mr Agar. Good luck.'"
I didn't go today for several reasons, one to catch up with family, two knew leeds would win even though I tipped us to win (find it hard not to) three its getting to costly to watch a team not at least put some effort in
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| Quote ="bren2k"I didn't - but equally, I didn't expect another complete capitulation; I don't mind getting beat by what is clearly a better side, but I can't stomach watching professional players roll over.'"
This was the difficult thing to stomach. I can take losing by 50 points. If the players run their blood to water but just aren't good enough I can accept it. But when I'm watching the likes of Lyne and Sykes pat Kallum Watkins on the back as he once again is made to look like he's stronger than Sam Burgess it really irks me. Anyone see Mathers' attempt at tackling Burrow? Absolutely laughable. Was also funny watching Achurch out pace him to the line. Don't get me started on Washbrook or Sykes' kick offs. The only thing good about this team at the minute is Dean Collis and the halves. Even the forwards don't appear to be pulling their weight.
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| Let's go back nearly 12 months. Good Friday at Cas. Club in free fall, losing 25 nil at half time to their nearest & dearest. Floodlights bust & crowds plummeting. Fetch in people with some passion & looks what's happened!
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| Quote ="Adam_Harrison9"This was the difficult thing to stomach. I can take losing by 50 points. If the players run their blood to water but just aren't good enough I can accept it. But when I'm watching the likes of Lyne and Sykes pat Kallum Watkins on the back as he once again is made to look like he's stronger than Sam Burgess it really irks me. Anyone see Mathers' attempt at tackling Burrow? Absolutely laughable. Was also funny watching Achurch out pace him to the line. Don't get me started on Washbrook or Sykes' kick offs. The only thing good about this team at the minute is Dean Collis and the halves. Even the forwards don't appear to be pulling their weight.'"
I'd absolve Ali from any blame, he is trying his hardest going forward. We don't seem to want to back him up though.
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| Quote ="snowie"did anyone really think we could upset leeds and beat them'"
Don't think the level of disappointment is about losing the game but the manner in which we lost it.
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| Quote ="Spanish Hipster"Let's go back nearly 12 months. Good Friday at Cas. Club in free fall, losing 25 nil at half time to their nearest & dearest. Floodlights bust & crowds plummeting. Fetch in people with some passion & looks what's happened!'"
It sounds daft i know but that is basically the difference. Home grown CEO (Steve Gill) and home grown coaching team. (Powell and Orr) and cas have taken off with the players brought in by the coaching team. You have the passionate home grown MC so although it sounds simplified the difference seems to be on the coaching side and the players brought in by them. How many of the squad were actually brought in by Agar?
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"It sounds daft i know but that is basically the difference. Home grown CEO (Steve Gill) and home grown coaching team. (Powell and Orr) and cas have taken off with the players brought in by the coaching team. You have the passionate home grown MC so although it sounds simplified the difference seems to be on the coaching side and the players brought in by them. How many of the squad were actually brought in by Agar?'"
I reckon Agars brought in most of the squad, the ones that Elston signed have all been moved on, unless you count Agar as a Elston signing that is.
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| I don't think we have any Home Grownness in any of our coaching set up. All Fev and Cas in't it? Chuffin 5th columnists, as I've said right from their appointments.
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| Wollo your spot on all this talk about our youth as you say the folk in charge of this wonderful new system are cas and fev passion startswith the young uns and that's installed by the men in charge fact
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| Quote ="try scorer"Wollo your spot on all this talk about our youth as you say the folk in charge of this wonderful new system are cas and fev passion startswith the young uns and that's installed by the men in charge fact'"
As far as I know all the U16s Coaching Staff are from Wakefield
Steve Parker
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| Quote ="try scorer"In charge Hudson ,dickens for two'"
I wasn't disputing that, just pointing out that not ALL are from Cas and Fev
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| Unfortunatly agar will not resign because the man is deluded and actually thinks and believes he's doin a good job.The players are his choice and will never gel because they have no idea what he wants,he constantly changes the team, their positions,the bench,80min hooker one week spelled hooker week after.At least he's on board with the youth policy ha! there all shipped out plus how can he bring them on when he can't even get a team of seasoned pro's to look like they've played before.It really is time for the men in white coats to come for him,because the man really believes he is a good coach.The facts are i feel sorry for mc i think heatheringtons had his trousers down with the contract extension,powells turned cas around with good sound basic coaching and he never hides behind the gel word.I'v watched wakefield long enough to know that when the team put the effort in the fans can take defeat,But they won't stomach this and unfortunately i fear the numbers will fall again and that saddens me after all the hard work mc and the likes of snowie have put in.But i don't think the club can afford to sack this clown and he knows it.
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