If the he council did pay that amount, I think it is a large waste of the tax payers money.

I think that could have been better spent elsewhere.

Just while we are on, I wonder how much it cost to put install those daft fountain thingy's in the bullring.

On a lighter note regarding the ground, I don't think we have had a floodlight failure during a game have we, like at Pittodrie last night. Didn't our near and dear rivals have one a few years ago in the Good Friday

When you consider the cost to the tax payer of Roaney, Wallhead, Rodgres,Jefferies and Box, which will only be slightly less, then I think the Hepworth is far better value by comparison.

It's estimated that visitors spend on average £21 per person in the City - that will include local cafes, bars and shops; the Hepworth projected 150,000 visitors in the first year and actually achieved that in 5 weeks - it's an amazing success and has become a destination for people from all over the world. In conjunction with the equally brilliant Sculpture Park, we are a genuine destination for horn rimmed spectacle wearing culture vultures, not to mention the architecture nerds who love the award winning, brutalist design of the building.

I'm a lifelong WT fan, and I firmly believe that WMDC and YCP have stiffed us; but including the Hepworth as an example of where money could have been better spent is just stupid. It appeals to and attracts exponentially more people than NM could ever hope or dream to, and is a shining light in an otherwise shabby and declining City.

That is a lot of people to be fair in a 5 week period Bren. Do you know roughly per year how many now are visiting the Hepworth.

I would imagine, projects like the Hepworth attract a lot at first, but then after a while or so, would imagine eventually would drop off steadily.

Potentially with a crowd of 6k, which is what Michael Carter was saying earlier in the year, to spend full cap, over around 14 games per season, you are looking at 84k attendances during the course of a calender year. This could even be higher as a new ground could increase the average gate, and the club may also be asked to host cup and international games.

Out of curiosity, to compare with the Hepworth and the new Castleford Stadium, I cant remember now how much the cost of the stadium would be projected at. According to Wiki, the new Castleford one is said to be around £15m.

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The 2 Million extra visitors ( some figure in that ball park) came from an 'independent' study which was funded by Wakefield Council. Call me a cynic but....

I don't have an issue with the Hepworth. It's a visitor attraction and gives people a reason to come to the city/district.

If it were to close Trinity would still be no where near getting a new stadium so the anger thsy is being directed towards it is misplaced.

Why do you continuously defend Lord Ted

Could the breaking news regarding Sheffield add the pressure onto the council and Yorcourt and force their hand.

This may bring in revenue tonsome extent but will only wear the old girl even more.

No chance whatsoever !! both of the above will not give a toss about it.

Only way to force their hands is via the courts, nothing less will do.

I wonder how many of hose thousands that visit the coal bunker walk any further in Wakefield than from the car park to the gallery. Those that do must be thrilled to see the Regal and the old County Highways building on the roundabout.

The city definitely needs university status to benefit from the thousands of young people who would revitalise the city. The campus would be able to make good use of the old Bishopgarth police complex both for classrooms and the available accommodation in the nine-storey block. Also, I'm sure that the former Wood Street police station could be utilised for university purposes rather than another "luxury hotel" that nobody will use. A large student population could well swell Trinity attendances too.

i was reading an article not long back regarding the proposed site where the development of a Retail, Restaurants & Country park and which includes the new Cas.Tigers 10,000 seater stadium,the total cost of the whole development was £135 million which included a quoted figure for the Cas Stadium at £13million.

£135 million, in Castleford. Shocking.

Out of curiosity what is the projected cost of Newmarket

The fantasy figure was £15 Million

The true figure.....nowt

Projected, actual or fantasy. The difference between the two is massive.

I would alao think that the cost of re vamping Belle Vue would be even less

Newmarket was meant to be for far more wasn't it, if they'd have built it the original plans with all the warehousing, hotel (I think), Stadium & other sporting facilities.

The figure for the stadium side of things are about the same.

No doubt TRB will be able to say what the Newmarket development in total was supposed to have cost.

Joanne Ronay has just stated that she 'secured Wildcats future in Wakey'. What?? For one she has no idea we aren't called that, and for 2 does she really think we are supposed to remain in that place forever without a massive input of funds? She is completely off with her knowledge and now she's heading off to Manchester. The load of of em should be shot!

I seem to recall having seen a budget proposal around £100m. The Stadium was meant to be around £14m, of which £9m was from YC and £2m from the council.

Yes there was meant to be a whole lot more to it than a £14m Stadium.

I Actually went down the new road they built to the Newcold the other week to have a look. Man it is even bigger close up than it is seems coming down the Motorway. Still can't believe they were allowed to build that thing. It sits right behind that house who's got the business attached doing Botox's etc.

Because the truth is the truth. It's all to convenient to scapegoat a 70 year old man who gave years of his life and a fair few quid to the club.

He made mistakes but he stepped forward which is more than most of the gas bags on here ever have.

I defend you sometimes because I know you've given more than most even if you do go off on one every now and then.

God loves a trier and so do I (I'm not a god by the way....or am I)

Here's my take on things re Ted. Ted sold the ground to himself with money borrowed from the BOI, if people remember he had set a company up in the name of his kids, JAVIDE or JAVINE which were jane, David and Diane which formed part of the tillion group in the Isle of Man. Ted then starting repaying the BOI this money back.
Ted had signed a deal with sainsburys for a plot of land in wakefield and believed it to be watertight to the tune of one million quid. He received only 80000 for it leaving a loss of 920,000 which he had borrowed against, this then took him under and he didn't have the money to keep up repayments on the ground and the bank then became owner of bv.
If Ted had kept up repayments on the ground then he through the tillion group or his kids would have become sole owner of the ground, not WT and not the bank. If Thornes or Newmarket would of then gone ahead then it would of left the club with nothing to give but tillion a nice little piece of land to sell off maybe to tesco or houses for a few crisp million.
Did Ted do anything wrong in the eyes of the law probably not but in my eyes he let down the supporters badly. He was in charge of what was going on and it wasn't his club it was our club. He may of done good work in previous years but he let himself down badly.
Then with all this going on ted go's into a IVA but his last throw of the dice was then to try to turn the tables on us asking us as fans if we cared and for 500 of us to put a thousand pound in to save the club just so he could stay and save his skin.
On the subject of ted putting his own money in he might have I don't know but wasn't it going out the other way in family wages.
Ted took this club to near oblivion and left future owners with their hands tied up their backs with no assets to bargain with has he had sold the clubs crown jewels in the ground.
So let's look at the ground situation at Denby dale. When yorkshire cricket and wakefield were offered grounds on Denby dale paul caddick threatened YCCC with legal action and they backed down . Councillor croxhall offered the ground to someone at the club.( Work it out for yourselves ) and was met by a well what's in it for me, a ground yes but what's in it for me.

This club has been run so bad for decades it's just disaster after disaster we have lost so many generations of fans fed up to the teeth of it all. Let's hops a miracle is round the corner.

Bit simplistic but I suppose this just about sums up Ted's legacy.

As you drop down into Barnsley from Worsborough Common the giant fridge sticks out like a sore thumb on the landscape and that must be about fourteen miles!!!!!

The £135 million figure is correct but has nothing to do with the Cas ground, it is earmarked for the infra structure surrounding the whole project. HTH

2 points spring to mind:

1. That the deal to buy BV effectively over-valued it (massively as it turns out), but that, in theory at least, it was a good deal for WT. The initial down payment, paid by the mortgage from BOI, helped to clear all the clubs debt at the time and funded us for a while after too.
2. The Sainsburies thing is not that he only got £80k, it was that the rest had been effectively paid as the sponsorship deal. Ted, and his advisors, didn't agree with that and were expecting the balance to come forward.

I think Ted made some glaring errors, which have cost us significantly, but I would balance that by saying that if others had delivered on their promises, and we hadn't had the Credit Crunch, it would have worked out. It didn't! History.