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| I agree. What Newmarket will change though is an ability to generate revenue off field.
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| Can i ask a question.
People are talking about Cowling and Smith going to Cas
Cockayne going to Hull KR
Wilkes leaving
Washbrook leaving
Apart from Cockayne, I haven't seen anything nearing an official comment on any of the others.
Are they just general "I winder if" conversations on here or is there any substance to any of them?
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| Quote ="Frosties."@HDMsport: Mail Exclusive: #HullKR have made a cash offer to Wakefield for prop Kyle Amor as they continue their recruitment for 2014'"
It won't take much to tip me over the top with RL, I'm sick to death of the constant meddling with the game , and it's only my loyalty to WT that has kept me interested.
If there is anything in the above I would hope they are told to do one.
If Amor is sold that is me done. (and I will won't a refund as I've already got next years ST x3)
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"It won't take much to tip me over the top with RL, I'm sick to death of the constant meddling with the game , and it's only my loyalty to WT that has kept me interested.
If there is anything in the above I would hope they are told to do one.
If Amor is sold that is me done. (and I will won't a refund as I've already got next years ST x3)'"
Lets hope Kyle is a Wildcat next season, it would be a huge loss.
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| Lots of uncertainty it seems, with nothing concrete. Until someone leaves its just rumours and having an unstableing effect on the club, hindering recruitment and investment. Who would want to come and invest or play for a club in strife?? We could do the same to any club who have a player with 1 year left on a contract. It would keep our supporters happy but in reality means bugger all.
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| Quote ="Mable_Syrup" its just rumours and having an unstableing effect on the club, hindering recruitment and investment. Who would want to come and invest or play for a club in strife?.'"
Most of these rumours are coming out of the gob of Nosey parker. Whoever is feeding him will also be happy because they seem to be having an effect.
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| Quote ="Daddycool"I agree. What Newmarket will change though is an ability to generate revenue off field.'"
Don't kid yourself Daddycool.
If we end up in the championship next season Newmarket will be nothing like the development we are expecting.
We'll be lucky to get more than a couple of basic stands and a ground capacity of about 5000. That's why reducing our playing strength next season could be tantamount to suicide.
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| Kyle Amor`s agent is Phil Clark`s brother who has never stopped trying to get him a move, last season it was Hull now its Hull KR. The player never mind the club may not even know that the agent is touting a player around. Martin Shuttleworth is another agent that never seems to do us any favours, his players come to us and then it seems he does his best to get them away once they hit some good form. It seems from reading Sir Richard Agars tweets that Shuttleworth is doing, has done, his best to get Lee Smith away to Cas and Sir Richard Agar is normally pretty good with his info. The problem is that most players think that their agent is working in the players best interest and most fans know that agents are low life bottom feeding scumbags.
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| Again from the license application, the target spend for year two was £1.3m, I suspect with Mellars salary (which if rumours are to be believed is six figure sum) and the paying off of John, Southern and Ellis it probably equates to a £1.1m spend.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Kyle Amor`s agent is Phil Clark`s brother who has never stopped trying to get him a move, last season it was Hull now its Hull KR. The player never mind the club may not even know that the agent is touting a player around. Martin Shuttleworth is another agent that never seems to do us any favours, his players come to us and then it seems he does his best to get them away once they hit some good form. It seems from reading Sir Richard Agars tweets that Shuttleworth is doing, has done, his best to get Lee Smith away to Cas and Sir Richard Agar is normally pretty good with his info. The problem is that most players think that their agent is working in the players best interest and most fans know that agents are low life bottom feeding scumbags.'"
I still can’t see why the RFL can’t employ agents to represent players as and when they need them. Player wants a move he has access to a salaried RFL employee who has no interest in the player moving clubs so is purely doing it for their benefit rather than his own pocket. I mentioned this a few years ago when this issue last cropped up.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Again from the license application, the target spend for year two was £1.3m, I suspect with Mellars salary (which if rumours are to be believed is six figure sum) and the paying off of John, Southern and Ellis it probably equates to a £1.1m spend.'"
These figures could be total speculation but if you are near to the mark then take them a bit further.
It would also mean we have blown £200,000 on misguided recruitment. That would fill quite a bit of the financial hole mentioned by sixtogo.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Most of these rumours are coming out of the gob of Nosey parker. Whoever is feeding him will also be happy because they seem to be having an effect.'"
Nosey Parker gets most of his rumors off these very boards doesn't he, which usually tun out to be total rubbish.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Nosey Parker gets most of his rumors off these very boards doesn't he, which usually tun out to be total rubbish.'"
That's just a rumour, and like most rumours is rubbish.
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| Quote ="jack in the box"Don't kid yourself Daddycool.
If we end up in the championship next season Newmarket will be nothing like the development we are expecting.
We'll be lucky to get more than a couple of basic stands and a ground capacity of about 5000. That's why reducing our playing strength next season could be tantamount to suicide.'"
Don't worry I'm not going to kid myself. Newmarket will provide more revenue off field then on it though.
And clearly we won't be in the championship next season though I do accept your point.
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| Quote ="El Rey"That's just a rumour, and like most rumours is rubbish.'"
Rumor or not, what he comes out with most of the time is absolute e.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"Chris Chester is a Wakefield supporter to be fair. He has been coming down to BV for years.'"
And happens to be Hull KR assistant coach and they seem to be tapping our players at present. Conspiracy theory??
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| It's absolutely essential that we keep Amor and our props IMHO unless Wilkes wants too much £££ for a final year in Super League before he retires ( if he is up to it). It's a key position, off load dead wood not key players like Amor, that should be building your team around over next 2 years.
We need to keep our strong pack which will be needed along with signing a proven 6 and another winger (but with real pace that can tackle)if we are to improve next year. Tyson and Addy plus a Lee Gaskell would be good with Kay hopefully getting more of a look in next season with Sykes.
Any decent wingers looking for a club? Is Cowling quick enough to be put there?
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| Quote ="Trinity 61"And happens to be Hull KR assistant coach and they seem to be tapping our players at present. Conspiracy theory??
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You might be right. Just offering an alternative suggestion as to why he may have been there Sunday
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I still can’t see why the RFL can’t employ agents to represent players as and when they need them.'"
I agree - there are a number of alternatives that could be employed to ensure that player movements are handled in a less underhanded way than the current model; agents have a built-in incentive to behave in such a way that their activities have an adverse effect on clubs - it's far from ideal.
I would also look at restricting the ability of SL clubs to poach young players from out of area - as a junior community club, we're subject to positively draconian rules and regulations around attracting and signing new players, whereas SL clubs appear to be able to act with impunity.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I agree - there are a number of alternatives that could be employed to ensure that player movements are handled in a less underhanded way than the current model; agents have a built-in incentive to behave in such a way that their activities have an adverse effect on clubs - it's far from ideal.
I would also look at restricting the ability of SL clubs to poach young players from out of area - as a junior community club, we're subject to positively draconian rules and regulations around attracting and signing new players, whereas SL clubs appear to be able to act with impunity.'"
In my time watching Bradford I’ve seen the effects of this from both sides as poacher and poached! I do agree with you. It seems that agents can get away with some pretty sharp practice and it goes unpunished, meanwhile the clubs losing the player don’t get adequately reimbursed. I do wonder how you police agents though. For example the Kopczak episode would never have been revealed had the Mason case not gone to court. As far as I’m aware his agent has had no sanction for being part of that move.
On young players wasn’t there once a rule that SL clubs could only sign under 16s from their own service areas? Has that been changed? A problem I have with that is that some SL clubs do nothing for the amateur clubs in their area yet benefit from having all that player resource to draw upon. Other clubs might work very hard but have far fewer clubs to work with and suffer in comparison.
In the end it comes down to money, at Bradford we’ve lost many good young players recently that we’ve spent a lot on developing but it’s mainly been down to our lack of money and some poor decisions by those in charge at the club. Any rules being brought in shouldn’t be there to make allowances for poorly run clubs.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"In my time watching Bradford I’ve seen the effects of this from both sides as poacher and poached! I do agree with you. It seems that agents can get away with some pretty sharp practice and it goes unpunished, meanwhile the clubs losing the player don’t get adequately reimbursed. I do wonder how you police agents though. For example the Kopczak episode would never have been revealed had the Mason case not gone to court. As far as I’m aware his agent has had no sanction for being part of that move.
On young players wasn’t there once a rule that SL clubs could only sign under 16s from their own service areas? Has that been changed? A problem I have with that is that some SL clubs do nothing for the amateur clubs in their area yet benefit from having all that player resource to draw upon. Other clubs might work very hard but have far fewer clubs to work with and suffer in comparison.
In the end it comes down to money, at Bradford we’ve lost many good young players recently that we’ve spent a lot on developing but it’s mainly been down to our lack of money and some poor decisions by those in charge at the club. Any rules being brought in shouldn’t be there to make allowances for poorly run clubs.'"
I wouldn't police agents at all - I'd just get rid of them in their current incarnation; as someone else suggested, have the movement of players handled by the RFL or better still, have the new players union represent their members during contract negotiations. Remove the incentive to tout players around in the first place and it will have a much less unsettling effect on the clubs who find, train and employ them.
As for juniors - I don't think that service area rule can still exist, based on the scholarships I know some lads have taken up this year. And don't get me started on the lack of support for junior clubs - when your own league appears to be working against you, it becomes clear you're on a hiding to nothing.
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| Amor n cockayne signed for hullkr I'm told this morning, sad news if true, we should be getting rid of off the field staff before our team imo.
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| Quote ="StanTHEWildcat"Amor n cockayne signed for hullkr I'm told this morning, sad news if true, we should be getting rid of off the field staff before our team imo.'"
Cockayne I could believe. Amor, if he were to be offloaded, I would've thought Trinity would generate an auction rather than accepting the first offer. I think bigger clubs then HKR would be interested in a young SL proven prop about to come into his prime. That's why I find the Amor to KR hard to believe.
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| It's from a mate of mine with links to someone on kr staff, he reckons that josh hodgsons leaving kr too.
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| Kyle Amor was bidded for by KR, doesn't mean he will go. Cockayne is pretty much a done deal according to 'Sir Richard Agar'
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