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That and I don't always think it gets you what you want!

You'll get fobbed off to the council!

Morals mean nothing to YCP and their Directors, if they did we'd have a half built stadium and a handover date in the diary by now!

I've said before and I'll say it again, they've shown their hand and have zip, zero, nada, absolutely no intention of paying a penny towards sports facilities and or a stadium.

The only way to get anything out of this debacle is to bring in support from The Office of The SoS, WMDC, Local MPs and any other form of big guns that are possibly at our disposal. I said this months ago and was told that upsetting Colin Mackie could be counter productive, well how far has he budged under the weight of our moral argument. Businessmen like him have no morals or shame when £Millions are at stake.

So that was you with the megaphone on the roof of the town hall today, was it, Phil ???

They are still all off on their summer recess until next month aren't they so theres not much hope in getting them to do sod all til after that.

But i have to agree that the likelihood of YCP suddenly gaining a conscious is slim so i hope there is some scope for legal action and a hole in their argument. I have a feeling that once again this is going to take an awfully long time to resolve.

Well I'm so glad your here to tell us what to do?



Sorry, but everything you say has been covered, and much much more. I can't put on here much of what is ongoing - you either need to get involved or trust us to do what we can!

Morals may not mean owt to YC, but there's still a value in them, one way or another!

TRB - Have YC got required funds to carry out their part of the initial bargain ?

They never had. It was always likely to be a mortgage!

Maybe the club should have resisted getting into bed with them in the first instance although I do understand there wasn't many other options available at the time.

The club / Trust were led to them by WMDC. WMDC are the parties named in the 106. There was nothing wrong with the deal, but everything wrong with the detail.

WMDC have plenty more attachment to YC, they are in it up to their wotsits!

That's not helpful Tigerade. We can all be clever after the fact.

Given what we have learned, I would be very careful about getting too carried away with the current Tigers Stadium plans. There are big costs involved in the roadworks, bank formation and landscaping, as well as the stadium - that's a lot of money from not that big a development pot!

So us oiks and plebs aren't allowed to have an opinion or a discussion about it then!

No need to appologise, I wasn't having a go at you or anyone else but you have to accept that you can't expect us to picket the Town Hall, write statements on the Councils planning portal, sign petitions and sit through Public Inquiries but then be quiet and not have an opinion.

When YCP have finally walked off having not paid a penny nor built a sports facility we can all console ourselves that we were moraly in the right, while in the business world morals mean nothing when money's involved and Colin Mackie won't lose a wink of sleep over whether he was moraly wrong.

I'll support you and the Trust and the club all the way through to the end but don't expect me not to have a voice.

I don't and I apologise anyway - but I don't use terms like oiks and plebs!

It is frustrating not to be able to tell more, and a voice is good, just don't assume that we don't have these things covered! The moral stuff is aimed at the council - they will be bothered by public opinion / press etc, but the moment is not right - just yet.

As I have quoted elsewhere, one of our group said he would 'die in a ditch' before giving up on this and we are all of one mind on this!

Problem is it still has a lot more chance of coming to fruition than Newmarket ever will though though no matter how much shouting is done. The only thing that might come out of it is that life might get a little more difficult for that weasel Mackie, which would be much deserved. But there will be no new stadium and no funds for a redevelopment of BV either. Thanks to the council being pretty much useless there is NO legal requirement and NO desire to 'do the right thing' meaning we are very short of legs to stand on. And there certainly isn't any money for it. You could try lobbying the council but Boxy and Jeffrey will make sure the Cas scheme goes through with a watertight 106 thus ensuring another term in office is gained through their votes so quite honestly won't give two hoots. Pickles might be the only hope but he is worse than useless to be honest and most in local government know it. We have been done over good and proper.

Just out of interest when is the lease up on Belle Vue? And has the covenant alteration decision been made yet?

Then, as frustrated as I'm sure you are, you need to be carefull not to sound condescending when answering a genuine post from someone with at least as many years as you supporting this club.



As you state yourself,


Therefore don't be overly surprised if, because of the lack of information, someone makes a suggestion that you've already considered or actioned.

As I've said on numerous occasions, I have the utmost respect for the members of SWAG, so don't take anything that I say about YCP, WMDC or the stadium situation in general as a criticism of those dedicated fans.

And I apologised once, but here I am again! Sorry - I was 'sounding off' and shouldn't have aimed it at you!

We are all in this together and we have all been wronged!

Avenger.

Everything you say about Yorkcourt is totally justified. They have no morals whatsoever and their only priority in life is to line their own pockets. However they are not unique, quite sadly as far as the business world of development is concerned they are the norm.

However my real gripe is with WMDC. They are a democratically elected body who pay their top officers huge salaries in order to protect the interests of the general public in projects like Newmarket. WMDC brokered the NM project right from the outset, it was they who identified Yorkcourt and introduced them to the club. WMDC have been in this right from the outset and should have been competent enough to prevent this from happening. WMDC have failed in their duty to protect the public they represent.

OK we have lost a stadium for Wakefield so they may be thinking ,so what it doesn't effect that many people. However this NM project could just have easily have been a school or medical facility or some other community asset. Whichever way you look at things the public of Wakefield have been cheated out of a large sum of 106 money and the blame lies on the shoulders of WMDC in my opinion.

Agreed. It is WMDC who are massively at fault here. They were the ones party to the S106 and they should have been the ones making sure it was watertight.
Yorkcourt are a business and are in it to make money. If WMDC gave them a way out of paying several million pounds then most companies would take that opportunity.

WMDC are the ones who should take the brunt of the backlash in my opinion.

Can't see what Tigers proposed plans has anything to do with this topic TRB other than what we might learn from mistakes made by WTW and WMDC.

One thing I didn't know was that WTW were led into the deal with YC by WMDC. Must have missed that detail somehow.

I know this has been done to death on this thread and others, but how York Court can back out of the agreement yet still get their end of the bargain absolutely stinks

I'd almost forgot about the whole fiasco, now it's riled me again ha

Spot on in what you say. Although the problem is i suppose that if it was a school or a medical facility then pretty much eveyone in the district would disagree with the process would be onside in ganging up against the council. With it being a stadium for a private rugby club, which even though it is a 'community' facility that what is has always been seen as to all and sundry, then the wider level of support needed to make a difference isn't likely to be there. I imagine couple or three thousand irate Wakey fans with a few banners won't bother them in the slightest which leaves us high and dry.

Mainly due to Yorkcourt being infinately more clever than the council at a guess.

This

The "deal" was portrayed as a 100% certainty, with the only questions being about completion dates etc.
I know its not going to happen but, they ought to put a stop to the whole bloody lot and prevent any of the commercial development, until
the stadium is Guaranteed.
It is beyond belief that there can be ANY loopholes which can allow the development to take place without the Stadium