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| Quote ="alegend"If that does not get more season tickets for next season nothing will'"
This is the thing now. The fans absolutely need to buy in and come back to support trinity getting back into the superleague. Hopefully a refreshing year on and off the pitch will generate some positive momentum.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"A lot more meat on the bones from Ellis in comparison to Glover's all the clubs money worries are over hype.
Pearman's plans just seemed like a con right from the start.'"
Pearman had no money of his own, he wasn’t any wealthier than many of the fans sitting in the stands. His plan was to bring in an investor called Cobex which never materialised and ultimately that lead to the Administration. I’m not sure Cobex ever existed except in the mind & plans of Pearman.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Pearman had no money of his own, he wasn’t any wealthier than many of the fans sitting in the stands. His plan was to bring in an investor called Cobex which never materialised and ultimately that lead to the Administration. I’m not sure Cobex ever existed except in the mind & plans of Pearman.'"
I always presumed Pearman's card was his inside knowledge of land deals during and after his stint as Wakefield Council Leader. Wasn't he a director of a Land & Property Management Company at the time. Ted seemed to get hold of some nice pieces of land back in the day too.
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| I thought Pearman had got his hands on some loans that were secured against land.
Didn't he end up fleeing to the Netherlands?
Ted had the land where Sainsbury's at Trinity Walk is now (hence the sponsorship) I think but his "watertight" contract wasn't so watertight and he was screwed.
The memory is hazy but I think that's how it went down.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"I always presumed Pearman's card was his inside knowledge of land deals during and after his stint as Wakefield Council Leader. Wasn't he a director of a Land & Property Management Company at the time. Ted seemed to get hold of some nice pieces of land back in the day too.'"
Allegedly.. ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="charlie"I thought Pearman had got his hands on some loans that were secured against land.
Didn't he end up fleeing to the Netherlands?
Ted had the land where Sainsbury's at Trinity Walk is now (hence the sponsorship) I think but his "watertight" contract wasn't so watertight and he was screwed.
The memory is hazy but I think that's how it went down.'"
Wasn't that the back of the old outdoor market near the office block or was it more where the stack of old buildings and garages / yards etc?
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| Quote ="BackSeatCoach"Wasn't that the back of the old outdoor market near the office block or was it more where the stack of old buildings and garages / yards etc?'"
The area off Jacobswell lane where the old printing building was and the pub on the corner Jacobswell Tavern.
Pearman purported to own some land off Newmarket Lane where Amazon is now.
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| Very encouraging article from ME. Willing to spend £1.5million pounds; £1million on players and £500.000 on "0ther things". Says he's not going to refer to finishing second from bottom as "Success", and definitely aiming for top six and 6.500 crowds. I like what I hear.
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| Me too.
Looking forward to seeing the new squad.
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| Quote ="Redscat"Very encouraging article from ME. Willing to spend £1.5million pounds; £1million on players and £500.000 on "0ther things". Says he's not going to refer to finishing second from bottom as "Success", and definitely aiming for top six and 6.500 crowds. I like what I hear.'"
He’s making all the comments that Trinity fans have been want to hear for donkeys years!
If he does what he’s says exciting times ahead!
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| Quote ="PopTart"https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/exclusive-new-wakefield-owner-matt-ellis-outlines-major-investment-plans-to-establish-trinity-as-super-league-mainstays
Interesting that Ellis says they are considering a role for Applegarth at the club.'"
Cleaner I believe
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| Quote ="PopTart"https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/exclusive-new-wakefield-owner-matt-ellis-outlines-major-investment-plans-to-establish-trinity-as-super-league-mainstays
Interesting that Ellis says they are considering a role for Applegarth at the club.'"
I hope so.
For a new coach debut season to have lost a number of stars (TJ, Fifita, Orona, Miller, Tupou) and be last to the party for recruitment he almost got the job done but for some close losses or a slip up vs Cas.
Looking at the longer picture. He probably learnt a lot about himself and being a coach. Learning under Powell for a few years would place him more ready and likely in a better position to sssist as an assistant.
I do think some continuity is needed and Mash has knowledge of players and the club from scholarship to first team. I’d be fine with it.
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| We need those pathways reestablishing from getting kids interested in schools right through to getting scholarships and beyond . Remember a few years ago now a youthful James Bachelor used to come into our school and get the kids engaged with rugby in an after school club which was well attended through Trinity.Then Francis Malony and Wayne Godwin used to come in as part of a private enterprise by I think Ryan Hudson . If we are serious about developing and retaining our talented youth , we could do far worse than give mash this role and get those pathways and links back up and running in the area alongside coaching our reserves and the likes
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Cleaner I believe'"
He just needs to climb in the wheelie bin and put himself out on Thursday morning, job done
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"I hope so.
For a new coach debut season to have lost a number of stars (TJ, Fifita, Orona, Miller, Tupou) and be last to the party for recruitment he almost got the job done but for some close losses or a slip up vs Cas.
Looking at the longer picture. He probably learnt a lot about himself and being a coach. Learning under Powell for a few years would place him more ready and likely in a better position to sssist as an assistant.
I do think some continuity is needed and Mash has knowledge of players and the club from scholarship to first team. I’d be fine with it.'"
What purpose does keeping him serve?
Darryl Powell will be well aware of Applegarths duplicity and his role in removing Willie Poching. Any Coach in any sport doesn’t want an assistant who will act behind his back to undermine you.
Even if he does stay as assistant, what are we going to do, offer him the Head Coaches job in a couple of years because after his shocking performances and poor delivery of the last season I for one wouldn’t want to see him as Head Coach again
You speak of continuity, well what is it that you saw this last season that you want a continuance of?
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| Also, Applegarth paid little attention to our own youth this season, so that argument falls flat. The bloke got this club relegated, unforgivable for me.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Cleaner I believe'"
I was no fan of M A in his role as coach but when he was bringing the young lads through he was very well thought of and did an excellent job.
Obviously he was then offered the job as head coach and took it-if you were ambitious wouldn’t you have done the same?
He wasn’t up to it and should have been relieved after 10 games.
But to rubbish him by suggesting he comes back as a cleaner is juvenile and offensive.
He’s WT through and through - ok he got it very wrong but don’t kick the guy now he’s down- or is that what you do?
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| Quote ="1315trinity"I was no fan of M A in his role as coach but when he was bringing the young lads through he was very well thought of and did an excellent job.
Obviously he was then offered the job as head coach and took it-if you were ambitious wouldn’t you have done the same?
He wasn’t up to it and should have been relieved after 10 games.
But to rubbish him by suggesting he comes back as a cleaner is juvenile and offensive.
He’s WT through and through - ok he got it very wrong but don’t kick the guy now he’s down- or is that what you do?'"
I am not kicking him now he is down, I have always thought that it was a bad appointment and had more to do with the needs of others. He at any other club would have been replaced when it became obvious he is out of his depth as an head coach especially with a squad he was presented with.
I actually thought I was being generous with my job suggestion, because I would be surprised if he will be retained in any capacity.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Cleaner I believe'"
You really do need to try a bit of self awareness mate..
Try thinking about some of the stuff you put up on here before you actually post it!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"What purpose does keeping him serve?
Darryl Powell will be well aware of Applegarths duplicity and his role in removing Willie Poching. Any Coach in any sport doesn’t want an assistant who will act behind his back to undermine you.
Even if he does stay as assistant, what are we going to do, offer him the Head Coaches job in a couple of years because after his shocking performances and poor delivery of the last season I for one wouldn’t want to see him as Head Coach again
You speak of continuity, well what is it that you saw this last season that you want a continuance of?'"
You say Powell will know but he and Ellis are the ones talking about it. It isn't a fans opinion.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I am not kicking him now he is down, I have always thought that it was a bad appointment and had more to do with the needs of others. He at any other club would have been replaced when it became obvious he is out of his depth as an head coach especially with a squad he was presented with.
I actually thought I was being generous with my job suggestion, because I would be surprised if he will be retained in any capacity.'"
Seems like Ellis disagrees without.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"What purpose does keeping him serve?
Darryl Powell will be well aware of Applegarths duplicity and his role in removing Willie Poching. Any Coach in any sport doesn’t want an assistant who will act behind his back to undermine you.
Even if he does stay as assistant, what are we going to do, offer him the Head Coaches job in a couple of years because after his shocking performances and poor delivery of the last season I for one wouldn’t want to see him as Head Coach again
You speak of continuity, well what is it that you saw this last season that you want a continuance of?'"
These are questions for Ellis and Powell who are having discussions and considering if he has a place.
The part about Poching is all suspect/rumour that you are treating as fact. That’s not fair at all in my eyes. The board made the choice to appoint someone other than Poching and MA was offered the job. He accepted it and why wouldn’t he.
I mean continuity in the sense that there will be a lot of personnel I would imagine leaving the club and so goes with it knowledge and experience of a few levels of working within a rugby club. Applegarth may bridge some of this and I believe that despite not achieving the end result he will have gained a lot of experience and learnt alot this season. Taking a step back and learning under an experienced coach like Powell (not ab inexperienced one like Poching) may be of great benefit should the people who matter decide it.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Also, Applegarth paid little attention to our own youth this season, so that argument falls flat. The bloke got this club relegated, unforgivable for me.'"
You can accuse Applegarth with a few things but 'paid little attention to our own youth' is not one of them. This year alone Harry Bowes played 14 games, Jack Croft played 9 after coming home and recovering from injuries, Sam Eseh played 15 games, Lee Kershaw played 17 games and Lewis Murphy was our starting winger before his ACL. As well as giving game time to Butterworth, Law, Pratt, Schofield, Shaw Harvey Smith and Windrow. I'm not sure what more you're wanting?
If you're alluding to our specific youth system then I can also include Max with 15 games and Jordy with 9 before he left - I'll even throw in Jay Pitts, Liam Kay, Will Dagger, Corey Hall and Josh Griffin. If it's 'young players' in general then he also packed out the squad with Sam Hewitt, Tom Forber and Ugo Tison throughout the season too.
...This is already off the back of losing 2 genuine first teamer (...and now some of the best players in SL) in Tom Johnstone and James Batchelor, along with Yusuf Aydin too.
If you think the aforementioned players should be getting more game time then I'd love an explanation as to why with the only one I can see who should have played more was Lee Kershaw over Tom Lineham...and Lewis Murphy if he didn't suffer a season ending injury.
The stick to beat Mash with has been severely overused in recent times but to say he does not focus on youth, younger players or academy players is downright incorrect.
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| Quote ="JamieRobinson1234"You can accuse Applegarth with a few things but 'paid little attention to our own youth' is not one of them. This year alone Harry Bowes played 14 games, Jack Croft played 9 after coming home and recovering from injuries, Sam Eseh played 15 games, Lee Kershaw played 17 games and Lewis Murphy was our starting winger before his ACL. As well as giving game time to Butterworth, Law, Pratt, Schofield, Shaw Harvey Smith and Windrow. I'm not sure what more you're wanting?
If you're alluding to our specific youth system then I can also include Max with 15 games and Jordy with 9 before he left - I'll even throw in Jay Pitts, Liam Kay, Will Dagger, Corey Hall and Josh Griffin. If it's 'young players' in general then he also packed out the squad with Sam Hewitt, Tom Forber and Ugo Tison throughout the season too.
...This is already off the back of losing 2 genuine first teamer (...and now some of the best players in SL) in Tom Johnstone and James Batchelor, along with Yusuf Aydin too.
If you think the aforementioned players should be getting more game time then I'd love an explanation as to why with the only one I can see who should have played more was Lee Kershaw over Tom Lineham...and Lewis Murphy if he didn't suffer a season ending injury.
The stick to beat Mash with has been severely overused in recent times but to say he does not focus on youth, younger players or academy players is downright incorrect.'"
Cracking post..
I hope our new coach and MA sort something out.
However I think Powell will probably want a clean slate .
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