I don't think that taking Briscoe on loan is a problem to anyone, it is more to do with the perception that we have taken him on at the expense of a club trained junior, who has "been allowed" to go.
Of course, thee are plenty of different reasons that young players move on but, the bottom line is that we are either, not producing players of SL quality, can't compete on wage demands or that the youngsters would rather play elsewhere and al of these give cause for concern.
Equally, we don't want to pay over the odds to keep certain players in the squad ,just because they have come through the ranks.

This is the key point for me. "over the odds" is a bit of a misnomer though, as a club what we have failed to do in the recent past is stick to our valuation of a players worth (to this club).
We have constantly been in situations where we don't have the ability to spend the full cap and so we have to "play moneyball" as Richard Agar put it. We need to get the best value we can from the players we sign.

Kath Hetherington is someone who knows her stuff, knows the worth of players and will not allow us to spend more than we value a player at. If that means we lose some players because we don't think they are worth what they are asking for and we can get better value elsewhere then that is how it has to be.
Now compare this attitude with other CEO's who have "allegedly" gone into contract discussions and just caved in to player demands (or even offered more than the player was actually asking for) and tell me which attitude you would rather see.

While i agree with the overall point you make, many players would say the same about us and our fairly poor record of giving players a chance, certainly Kay and Cowling would be among them, both of who i would have picked before fox and lynn on numerous occasions this season...justifiably i think.
We must also identify that the gain we are getting at the moment from our leeds love in is a short term one, the big gain is being made by Leeds as these young lads will get more chance of SL experience with us this year than was likely at headingley, and leeds will benefit from that in future years. That said i am happy with the situation as we have pretty few options.

we knew this would be the case going back to P&R ...teams will ultimately have to look to short term options.

I would say that if Kay and Cowling were kept for Keinhorst and Briscoe, and proved to be not of SL standard, people would be just as if ot more irked

Not really, in effect potential is replacing potential, all be it possibly cheaper. Besides we'd never know in order to be irked.

someone said it earlier though, Leeds finge players will be better than yours (theoretically) and JK has SL experience already.

You're right about Briscoe, for sure, but if he's on 30k at Leeds, his wage will be subsidised surely?

We've signed Marc Sneyd on a similar contract I reckon, we've got Ellis, Dorn, Seymour and my hero Finn.... It's a signing we wouldn't use 25-30k on otherwise.

If Kay's agent was requesting a 30k contract for Kay then this is surely a more sensible option. You don't wanna be overspending again for the sake of a fringe player

I meant LB and JK are likely to be cheaper than LK and DC. Potential is just that, regardless of which club the player comes from. Playing for Leeds juniors may give them a better grounding but its no guarantee they'll be better than what Trinity have lost.

Anyway its a moot point because we have what we have. Who knows they could both impress and end up signing permanent deals for Trinity after the loan ala Amor.

I think there is a feeling you go to the best club that you can or the highest profile club that you can.

You give it a crack and if you succeed you are first team at a top established club. If you fail, you have been in a potentially superior environment and teams in the same division but lower down the table will be interested in giving you a shot and potentially fast tracking you into the first team.

If you stick at a club lower down the food chain and do not crack it rarely do you get another chance at a Super League club so have to drop into the National Leagues.

As I seem to be annoying people I will make this my last post , the comment regarding minimum wage referred to First Team squad players both this and last season who  were/are allegedly on less than 12 grand a year( if I am wrong I apologise). On my one trick pony subject . I developed a interest in the colts and A teams many  years ago , every so often we have produced a crop of   players who should have stood the club in good stead for a number of years , ( Sharlston Lads , The Marches era ) . I honestly thought that with the creation of the 1873 scheme and its 100£ share issue predecessor we would no longer waste talent again. but it seems to be not the case . the all conquering team of three / four seasons ago in my opinion will by the end of this season be discarded, it’s obvious RFA doesn’t rate them ( I have no idea why. other than maybe who their coaches were) preferring again in my opinion to follow the Huddersfield model of letting others have the bother of finding and them and developing them , . If that is actually the case then why not come clean and say so , after all he is the gaffer and what he says goes, I would imagine most hardcore supporters would still contribute to a lottery, which the club could use for anything they wish.

There's no need to stop posting because some people disagree with you. The whole point of a forum is to hear all views (subject to legality).

Successive coaches have far too often overlooked the young lads at this club, licencing was the ideal time to blood them without the worry of relegation. Sadly the shortsightedness of the RFL and subsequently member clubs removes that safety net in which talented kids get their chance.

As an aside I have to say the posting style of three posters kind of involved in junior development is strikingly similar.

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It certainly is, what a shock!

Try scorer, victor - whose the third?

Mopsey.

Though his employer had banned him from posting on forums

The development of players at a club like Wake is a premium but due to the pressure of success being put first, the franchise system gets pushed to the side.
Wake have produced some really good players but due to the colour of the shirt, they seemed to get overlooked for rep honours.
This makes them want to move to a top six club to get recognition.
This is basically what is wrong with the franchising system in our game.
In Oz it doesn't matter if you are playing for the bottom of the table side, if you are a quality player, you get picked to play rep rugby.
Happened to Civonocieva when he moved from Brisbane to Penrith a few years ago.
I maybe wearing my RW&B specs but I never thought that there was much to choose between Dennis Betts and Gary Price apart from which club they were playing for.

Got to agree with Victor, we are left with Anakin, Wildie, Trout and Walshaw from the best junior team in the land. They and others from that team should have played some first team for John Kear and certainly played a great deal more first team for Richard Agar. We are lucky to still have these lads on the books.

Although they were successful in my opinion that team was used as a box ticking exercise by Wakefield, and whilst a good team I think this hindered their development significantly.

I am not saying they were not a good team, because they were a very good team, but unlike other clubs who sent their players out on loan and who generally were not playing at that level in favor of testing them to play at a higher level Wakefield kept them in house.

I personally think this did them no favors in relation to their development and held them back.

In my opinion Junior rugby is about producing players not winning trophies. I am of the opinion Wakefield thought it would boost their franchise application if they produced a successful team at that level rather than doing what was right for the players and their development.

I was invited to make a comment about Bristow being on our scholarship program but wasn't in a position to post it how ever it has been mentioned that he was at Wakefield even though it was only for a short time.

I'm as frustrate as most on here to see a championship side not produce more than we have at this moment, I feel the blame for this being the reduction of the age of the reserve side and the lack money forcing players to seek opportunism else where.

there was mention about the Trin feel good factor where the youth that is playing now will they want to still turn out for the club, well from my understanding both Max and Jordan both want to play for their club and I know of a few more within the 16s that has the same devotion so the passion is still there.
Getting lads to stay is another you can't blame them for moving to better contracts so lets not blame the club for keeping within its budget.

And you know what the posting style of a few more is very similar, they believe every thing the club says or does even though they've been let down many times,but eh that's their views ,just because my views are different shouldn't mean me and a few more are catogarised I've been brought up on local rugby both amature and proffesional and my reactions are usually based on things directly or indirectly to do with that and if I see what I think are unjust happenings I'll say ok

Yeah, I fall for it every time

No truer word spoken Snowie.

I know for a fact that Jordan would turn out for nothing just to wear the shirt.On the subject of the young lads,attitudes,commitment,hunger,what ever you want to call it,Jordan asked me what he was looking forward to more than anything,apart from the shirt,I thought scoring a try,it was actually going over to the Wakey fans and clapping them at the end of the game.Don't think many players would think of that one and I hope he's clapping us for many seasons to come.

so do I

16s first game is Wales away

Enjoy every minute of it Snowie,hope Louis goes well.

Heard your argument before John but it don't wash with me and others , you might come from this area but your views certainly represent those of a wigansupporter , alright maybe a couple of their older 18s played with their21s but I'm sure that was a lot to do with Wigan's belief that they could win tha league without them, Wakefield beat them 3times out of 4including a semi final play off and a final, anybody knows that Wigan want to win every thing and in their teams in that series were current first team squad members in ian thornley , Logan Tompkins,Sam Powell ,jack Hughes ,current international josh charnley ,warring tons new fullback mat Russell and super league player jack murphy oh yes jonh wake field beat nowt

Wigan brought most of those players back from duel reg for the semi and Wakefield dominated. Think Charnley may have been playing SL with Hull KR and the others in the 21's. Charnley was poor that day.

Ironically though your post actually supports my stance. Those lads dominated a team on the day filled with future first team players for Wigan, yet came to nothing at Wakefield because they were held back. The Wakefield 21's team at the time were made up of a few Huddersfield cast offs and amateur level players.

A lot if the Wigan fans were put out on the day of the semi that Wigan had changed selection policy and drafted in the more experienced lads, I may be wrong but I think most of them had also played in a 21's game vs Leeds the day before.

Finally FYI I wanted Wakefield to win that day as I had coached a good few of the lads and was in their younger days at the club before I went to the Giants so was made up for them.