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| Quote ="Fully"Furry?
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| There were 5 teams given a warning by the RFL re Stadia - they can only bring one team up from the NL, I think bringing two in at once would be pure folly. So by my reckoning, if us and Cas cannot agree on a groundshare, then at least one of us would still be in regardless of work progressing on the stadium.
They might as well tell all the teams with stadiums that are fit for the elite competition not to bother going through the application process - if teams that don't meet that requirement are first in line for the chop (regardless of how well they score on the rest of the application issues)
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"There were 5 teams given a warning by the RFL re Stadia - they can only bring one team up from the NL, I think bringing two in at once would be pure folly. So by my reckoning, if us and Cas cannot agree on a groundshare, then at least one of us would still be in regardless of work progressing on the stadium.
[uThey might as well tell all the teams with stadiums that are fit for the elite competition not to bother going through the application process - if teams that don't meet that requirement are first in line for the chop (regardless of how well they score on the rest of the application issues)'" [/u
eh?????????????? dont you mean not in line for the chop?
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| Quote ="snowie"we are out of belle vue come what may
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Use the 2 million from the councils land to buy it back, that will really mess with their heads
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| Quote ="chapster"[/u
eh?????????????? dont you mean not in line for the chop?'"
No - I meant that if you don't meet the elite stadium criteria you are first in line for the chop no matter what points you score elsewhere - which is what I think it says although admittedly not in the best english!!!
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Looks like Mr Box is swinging his amber and black wrecking ball again.
If we go to Glasshoughton, it is not in Wakefield anymore and so is not my team. If we go to Oakwell as an alternative, it will become a Barnsley team and is not my team. I do not support a limited company called Wakefield Trinity. I support a rugby team in Wakefield called Wakefield Trinity, and when that ends, I can see no reason to support them somewhere else purely because it has the same board of directors.
This is not an anti-Cas thing, but I'm not from Cas, and don't want to support a team playing in Cas. Sport support is an emotional thing, and I'll follow my emotions, not reason.'"
I am with you . I support a team playing at Belle Vue, Newmarket if it has to be,anywhere else just does not appeal.
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| Quote ="feline"I am with you . I support a team playing at Belle Vue, Newmarket if it has to be,anywhere else just does not appeal.'"
funny thing is i think you might get your wish, none of this stacks up.
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| Quote ="Theboyem"The only thing that surprises me is that anybody would be surprised by whats happened. These groundshare discussions have been going on for months, in fact I was asked by someone on here to keep quiet about what I knew because it was so sensitive. Box has had this agenda all along and was just waiting to get voted back in in may before he unleashed his plan. Ignore his claims that its due to spending cuts, the decision had been made long before the government changed. SWAG have been led up the garden path in all this i'm afraid, and as much as they can try to lobby the council it won't make a jot of difference. The political will to make Newmarket happen is not there, so it won't. From the clubs point of view Glasshoughton is a non-starter. The only hope we have is to drop down to the championship and hope to survive, hope that Glasshoughton falls through because of the financials and Newmarket can then be resurrected some time in the future. Its a sad state of affairs when your relying on another clubs misfortune for your own prosperity and one that makes me sick to the stomach. The RFL have a lot to answer for in all this as well. The reality of the situation is that both clubs could easily go to the wall and the whole area will be poorer as a result. There will be no winners in all this and Mr Box will have a lot to answer for.'"
I think there will be one winner in all this, and it won't be us. Box may have a lot to answer for, but he's looking at the election results and asking himself - who's going to call me to account? The day the rhetoric changed from "Box" to "Peter" was the day we were well and truly sold down the river, but in truth, we were probably shafted before then.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"I agree there but Belle Vue is terrible and we need a change the jungle at castleford isn't a bad ground you look at portsmouth who were in the prem there ground aint exactly premier league. We need a new ground ours is worsed of the lot no atmosphere, awful parking, dear prices, scrambling over people to sit down in the stand the list is endless and been a supporter for 20 years watching us there; I am plain bored with it and the majority of wakey fans are. We deserve a new ground before CAS !! hence the name
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I would love to know your reason for you deserving a new stadium before us. There's no queuing system - it's all done on finances and whether you have them.
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| Quote ="Fully"I would love to know your reason for you deserving a new stadium before us. There's no queuing system - it's all done on finances and whether you have them.'"
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There is a theory on this forum that NGB4C is a troll. He hooks many people with plain ridiculous statements so I wouldn't exert too much effort in confronting him.
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| Quote ="Fully"I would love to know your reason for you deserving a new stadium before us. There's no queuing system - it's all done on finances and whether you have them.'"
Well thats Cas and Waystones out of the race!
We on the other hand can fund the project. All we need is the political will. And believe me if we feel a shafting coming before Sept we will take to the streets.
We need him out. I think we need to seriously look at what is the legislation and whether it's possible for citizens to lodge a vote of no confidence.
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| Quote ="Fully"There's no queuing system - it's all done on finances and whether you have them.'"
... and if you don't have them, whether you can appropriate assets promised in equal measure to both you and your rivals, so you can borrow against them to ensure you ultimately do have the finances.
Just to make matters perfectly clear here.
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| just to throw a spanner in the works.As I understand cas have planning permission but no money and wakey have the money but no planning if this is true and wakey do move to gh surely cas would be the lodgers as they would be putting the most money in.May have facts wrong but interesting if true.
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| Quote ="wildcat13"just to throw a spanner in the works.As I understand cas have planning permission but no money and wakey have the money but no planning if this is true and wakey do move to gh surely cas would be the lodgers as they would be putting the most money in.May have facts wrong but interesting if true.'"
Not true. Cas have outline planning, but no full planning permission. They also have money, but not enough. That's why they want the land asset promised to Wakey to borrow against so they can complete. If they didn't need it, they would have completed. Otherwise, there would have been no need for Box to re-draw the line. Everyone could have got on with their own thing at their own pace. Simple as that.
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| so cas do need wakey then.probably more than wakey need cas.
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| I'm not sure Wakefield have the full amount of money either. As I've said a few days ago, that is probably why this has been forced upon us.
As for us needing you, not entirely. If Newmarket falls through, where will/would you have turned then? How long is Belle Vue available to you for?
A groundshare at GH may be the only viable option, at least in the short-term until you get on your own two feet. Would you accept that? A short-term plan to move to GH until Newmarket is in a viable position to be built?
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| Quote ="wildcat13"so cas do need wakey then.probably more than wakey need cas.'"
Wakey don't own the asset though, do they? It belongs to the council. And after some spurious feasibility study, they can re-designate it with a clear conscience. Costs them nothing but the study, and the study covers their backs.
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| A lot of this is purely guesswork from both parties and the only true people that know the situation are those involved.
It would be good if all the information was available - but I'm sure that will be given in the feasibility study.
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| Quote ="Fully"A groundshare at GH may be the only viable option, at least in the short-term until you get on your own two feet. Would you accept that? A short-term plan to move to GH until Newmarket is in a viable position to be built?'"
How more patronising can you get? You're not exactly standing on your own two feet either, are you? Until the council give you that much needed leg up, that is.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"How more patronising can you get? You're not exactly standing on your own two feet either, are you? Until the council give you that much needed leg up, that is.'"
No, but the point is, GH could probably get started and half-built with or without you involved. I'm merely questioning whether you moving to GH for a year whilst the planning issues at Newmarket are resolved (if the RFL would allow that) would you take it?
Put it this way, I'm sure neither club - even if we're going into a groundshare - would EVER give up on their dream of their own stadium. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if plans were continued onwards for the next three years.
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| just because gh has outline planning why does it seem a dead cert that wakey have to play there?things could yet go ar5e up.
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