I know i'm a cas fan but i've always taken an interest in Newmarket and i always thought it was too good to be true. However when the proposed upgrade of belle vue came to light i thought it seemed ideal and i really hoped it would come off for you. Rivalry apart its gone too far now and i just hope you come out of all this with a positive result. Chins up and best of luck.

I am highly suspicious of the role played in this debacle by the Castleford based council 'mafia' who together seem to wield far more power generally on the council than elected council members representing other areas of Wakefield Met.

would emails to our MP help or hinder? Mr Balls is mine. or tweets?

Given the fact that part of Balls constituency is Morley, so Leeds based, and they have been against the development from day one (and he is friendly with Clr Wakefield), the fact that his wife Cas MP Yvette Cooper is pushing for the Cas development (the same one Boxy really wants) and also bearing in mind that in his position as shadow chancellor he is fully committed to helping new business and industry get developed as part of his election policy for economic growth, then no probably not.

Thats even if the correspondence gets past his pa in the first place. He might I suppose pay it lip service at best if it does.

Cas fans might have thought Newmarket too good to be ture but have they not thought the same about their new ground which won't cost them a penny.

To have even the tiniest chance of any form of protest even registering with the great leaders of the council then it is going to need an awful lot of support from the wider Wakefield district public and given you can forget most of the traditional five towns straight away, is that really likely? Lets be honest the stadium has been seen by anyone outside of the club as a stadium for Wakefield Trinity and not a stadium for the wider community so will none supporting Wakefield fans be prepared to make the difference, especially at a time when chilrens centres, libraries, parks etc are already under threat due to budget cuts? I have a feeling the majority of people will say there is bigger fish to fry. If both Yorkcourt and the council are backing out of their commitment to the stadium I fear there is not going to be a great deal anyone can do.

The whole thing stinks and the council and Yorkcourt should hang their heads in shame as the city deserves a modern stadium. But if that 106 is written in a way that it has given YCP a get out clause and there is no political will at a local level to fight it and no mass local uprising to pressure them into doing so it then I fear it is as good as game over.

A fair observation. Box is also these days chairman of the West Yorkshire combined authority so has plenty of power throughout the entire region, not just Wakefield. It does though mean he has to keep on the good side of the other councils in the area so given Leeds council were always dead against the scheme it might just suit Box to ensure that the plan is shelved to appease them and the Cas one by j32 proceeds in its place.

100% correct mate. Its our blind devotion to our respective clubs that makes us believe its all good when others are doubtful.
I havn't seen the full details of the proposal at j32 but apparently the stadium has to be built before anything else and things were different at NM. But as you say we shouldn't count our chickens until we're actually sitting in the stadium.

Don't disagree with you about the wider public of the Wakefield District not being interested but as you have said in your last paragraph the whole thing stinks. The Planning Inspector granted consent at Newmarket subject to a Community Stadium and facilities being provided for the people of Wakefield. Forget the fact that there is a stadium involved and look at the fact that the Developer was to make £Xm available from his profits. Where is that profit now going ? If its in his pockets then the people of Wakefield are being "robbed".

Can we do anything about it ? Maybe not in the long run but we will not throw the towel in until we are beaten to a pulp metaphorically speaking. But whatever we do and we are looking into many options we will need people to back us.

There is some discussion to be had around the idea of "mala fides" acting outside the spirit in which an agreement was made. This can also become an act of fraud in as much as it can be interpreted that the offending party never intended to adhere to the agreement and always planned to breach the agreement in some way.

I'm obviously no lawyer but if such grounds were to be found then there is also the possibility that the agreement can be revoked and any such subsequent permissions retrospectively repealed. Maybe this is something the Secretary of State might consider, given that their Officer was conned into approving the Planning by YCP.

I'd even go as far as suggesting that any profits made by YCP could be seized as they were gained via the aforementioned deception (fraud)

All hypothetical and allegedly of course

Whilst it would be good to see Yorkcourts plans in ruins it wouldn't help us as the whole development would be null and void and we'd still be up that certain creek wouldn't we?

I wouldn't underestimate the strength of feeling for a community stadium in Wakefield not just Trin fans it's all about civic pride for the City. If the development goes ahead without the stadium then the community trust have got to be compensated in some way, and if sir Rodney Walker and the community trust are working as hard as people are saying then I still believe a stadium fit for purpose will be built in Wakefield. One thing I heard today was that York Court were now declared bankrupt but suppose who ever buys the land the 106 should still apply however weak it is.

Not if the threat of losing the development and it's related profits was enough to force YCP into honouring the original agreement.

The original agreement was to allow a certain amount of development before triggering the stadium anyway so a developer could cut and run at that point and still make a tidy sum.

Sadly i really think you may be over-estimating the level of pride people have in the city these days, take a look at how few of them are actually bothered enough to turn up and watch its only pro sports team. Many couldn't care less and certainly not enough to be bothered whether a stadium gets built near Methley.

That's true there is always a massive amount of people that don't get involved in anything. You only have to look at the numbers that bother to vote in the local elections. However having said that although we have an average gate of around 4000 that's only the people who turn up on a particular day. You could quite easily double that figure if you counted the number that watch at least one game throughout the season.

Then going back to the 4000 that do turn up. If everyone of them voted for any other party but labour at the local elections it would go a long way towards kicking Box out of power

That is the problem here, the section 106 is so weak and so full of holes that the trust don't have to be compensated in any way shape or form! And that will go for whoever is the developer. Yorkcourt disposed of the company that signed the 106 agreement quite a while ago, all part of the master plan I should imagine.

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/how-it-works Have we thought about an epetition? A strongly worded, yet accurate, statement detailing how a bent 106 is effectively robbing a community of facilities, especially as the development could never have existed without the hearts, minds and active support of the community eventually wronged by the developers could do wonders for convincing wider support. If the local council are as culpable then move on to higher powers. 100,000 online signatures may seem a tall order but in the days of social media I personally think it could be far easier than our 12,000 letters of support. For example: Start with the 1000 people on the 'Northstanders' Facebook page, if each of those 1000 people shared the link the increases in exposure can be astronomical. I'd like to think the RL community would help fight our corner on this too, galvanize the wider RL community & suddenly 100,000 people doesn't seem such a taller order.

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/how-it-works Have we thought about an epetition? A strongly worded, yet accurate, statement detailing how a bent 106 is effectively robbing a community of facilities, especially as the development could never have existed without the hearts, minds and active support of the community eventually wronged by the developers could do wonders for convincing wider support. If the local council are as culpable then move on to higher powers. 100,000 online signatures may seem a tall order but in the days of social media I personally think it could be far easier than our 12,000 letters of support. For example: Start with the 1000 people on the 'Northstanders' Facebook page, if each of those 1000 people shared the link the increases in exposure can be astronomical. I'd like to think the RL community would help fight our corner on this too, galvanize the wider RL community & suddenly 100,000 people doesn't seem such a taller order.

Who is responsible for drawing up the 106? And who is responsible for signing the planning application off?

Good question!

Complicated answer in this case!

Blah blah blah all garbage someone has cocked up and now we are filled with garbage. In simple terms there was no contract about a ground been built York court just got what they wanted and we haven't got anything in writing Dumb and fatal error.

Pointless waste of oxygen

Wow, what an insightful individual you are. We certainly could do with someone of your intelect fighting this with us. Please PM me as I'd love to meet with you in person and you can let us know where we are going wrong and how we can fight this to a winning conclusion.

With you by our side we cannot fail and we WILL get a new ground before Cas.

No chance of that ever happening.

Keep up the good fight SC, its not over yet ...

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The clubs position is that they will play at either venue - whichever can be delivered with the right facilities! I don't think we're in a position to write off either opportunity!

On and on we go.....