I hope Singleton will be a good loan signing but I agree with some previous posts I think the two experienced SL props that R.A. has mentioned in the recent past must have turned Wakefield down (one being Kirke) and Singleton is a late squad filler as a prop/second row due to injuries to 3 of our front row forwards.

I don't think Healy was given enough game time on Boxing Day either to see his full potential. Maybe he'll get it against Fev?

Take no notice mate, Vasty is getting grumpier as he gets older but i'm sure he means well? It's nice to see the occasional post from someone with immpecable sources.

I might be wrong but I'm sure Agar said we were after one experienced prop and a utility forward that can cover SR and Prop.

That'll have been Mason and Kirke.

^yep

Not trying to fall out with anyone especially vasty,
Just trying to put things in to perspective that considering budgets, player abilities etc I think it's a great bit of business to get Singleton for a year, who knows it could turn out like the Amor saga

Err that's not what I said, I suggested you are not the only one with a bit of knowledge - telling folk to wake up for not sharing your enthusiasm was not your finest moment.

Usually like your posts, but don't start to believe your own hype - that's Smokey territory and none of us want that.

Think they are now saying one more 'significant ' signing which must be trying for Singleton on a years loan

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Lets keep it festive!!!

Well I personally didn't take it that way, I presumed he'd seen more of Singleton than the rest of us, so was saying it was a good bit of business when a lot of people on here were saying they can't understand why we've bothered with the loan.

It maybe a good bit of business but what if we train him up go back to Leeds a better player where as Matt James /Lillycrop could have been trained up to be better players learning off the likes of Poore and these players are under contract at Wakefield. Judging by how things are in Australia I will be suprised if Leeds won't want Singleton back this year. Unless Singleton looks just as good as Amor I think its pointless to be fair.

I told you Singleton on 11th December here:- viewtopic.php?f=33&t=540985&tsmp=1356765467&start=110 What took you guys so long ? Good signing for WTW and would have liked him at Cas Tigers.

I told you Singleton on 11th December here:- viewtopic.php?f=33&t=540985&tsmp=1356765467&start=110 What took you guys so long ? Good signing for WTW and would have liked him at Cas Tigers.

I thougjt he looked quite good on boxing day in fairness. Kyle Trout had an excellent game imo but is not a prop forward. He should be given game time in his natural second row position. Singleton on loan would be fairly cheap, and would provide good cover in the forwards. If we have injuries in the season then we can look at someone else when neccessary. We picked up Sykes and L. Smith mid-season so I am sure someone will pop up. I trust Agar on this one, and therefore will support Brad if he does join the club.

Trouty has played prop throughout all age group rugby. I think he has only played second row when he was in the first team last season, so about 500 games at prop and 11 at second row.

Gledhill wouldn't sign another contract and Lilycrop as good as he was in the 20s was a bowling ball with no evasion skills and would of been smashed in the super league

but then that's just a matter of opinion

I do wonder about all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that accompanies the departure of young players - the last big thing was Cain Southernwood, and I've yet to see him make any impact on SL.

Maybe, just maybe, the people who are paid to take a view on the relative merits of RL players actually know what they're on about?

Similarly Gareth Moore.
Fine Championship level.
Obviously had that little bit extra missing for level above.

The 500 games Trout has played were not at the level of physicality that is in Super League. He's a compact pacy strong forward who gets stuck in so will go well in the second row when needed this year. Maybe in a few years if he beefs up a bit more then he may go to the front row but for me we'd be doing a 'southern' on him putting him there now.

With Poore, Raleigh, Amor, Wilkes & Singleton as our front row options and Lauitiiti, Kirmond, Mariano and Trout our main second row options I think we'll go fine this next season.

I'm concerned about hooker position with Aiton and Wildie being the only options for the next 3 months with Wood out, missing all pre-season & first month of season.

I'm not - Aiton is a machine and it will be good to see Wildie have an opportunity to put a marker down as interchange.

well john and Bobby G will have to stand up to the hooker role, after all, the hooker is only a extra half back

There's a fair bit more responsibility in defence Bazzo.
I dont know enough about Bobby G junior but, John has nowhere near enough to make 35-40 tackles per game.

So despite the FACTS you still say he's a S/R.

Trout is an average sized Prop, why can't folk accept that instead of making it up as they go along.

He is also every bit as advanced than Singleton - but hey this lads from Leeds and despite most only seeing him play once or twice he's the messiah.

Funniest of all is that Kirmond and Mariano will never be props, have never played prop yet according to you are back up props with a player who's played hundreds of times in that position.

Whether Trout makes it or not only time will tell, but this nonsense about his size and the myth that he is a second row is getting very tedious.

I'm also led to believe Agar rates him in the F/R, but hey what does he know.

Happy new year.

what i suggest is we wait until weve played a proper game against proper super league players ,then our opinions will hold more significanse but its behopes we do well against feath

I agree with some things you say here. At this moment in time I am not sure if Trout, prop throughout the years, or not, should be utilised as a prop forward. He may indeed bulk out as he gets older and have more physical impact needed to be a good prop forward.

I rate Trout highly a player, but his evasion, feet and skills with ball in hand make him a good second rower to me. I think pushing him down the prop role just because that's all he has ever been will waste his talent, at this point in his development, as having him used in these positions won't display his full potential at this point in his development and grade of rugby.

On the subject of Singleton, granted I have seen the lad play only once, so my opinion isn't particularly useful, but what I saw on boxing day was a naturally big lad with a good work ethic, he needs to gain some muscular size and strength before he pushes his way up the ladder of props.

Let's hope RA can develop Singleton like he did Amor, then we will have a good prop on our hands.

Exactly.
Well said .
Room for em both in squad.

You've misread my post.
1. Front Row - Poore,Raleigh,Amor,Wilkes & Singleton
2. Second Row - Mariano, Kirmond, Lauitiiti & Trout. None of these are props and I didn't suggest that in my earlier post.

3. Why do the top clubs have 16 stone plus props? R.A. has said himself that he likes a big 8 and he's got that in Poore who does not lack aggression.

You'd have Trout getting smashed as Southern did last season when he played prop. I trust R.A. if he thinks Trout can be his 5th prop why then is he going for Singleton, he's not needed is he?.



Wikipedia states 'Singleton will spend 2013 on loan at Wakefield Trinity Wildcats.' Confirmed?

Happy New Year to all that are red, white and blue! Come on the Trin in 2013!