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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Keep believing PT if it helps but the history suggests final league position.'"
What history? The guys doing this have never done it before.
There is no 'believing' in this situation. Its new ground.
But if you put all your money into a league position, then personally I think its short sighted.
If we went to 10 teams, Wakefield is just as unlikely. But the infrastructure we are putting in place gives us a better chance.
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| Quote ="PopTart"What history? The guys doing this have never done it before.
There is no 'believing' in this situation. Its new ground.
But if you put all your money into a league position, then personally I think its short sighted.
If we went to 10 teams, Wakefield is just as unlikely. But the infrastructure we are putting in place gives us a better chance.'"
Don't forget PT, that not only are MC and JM writing to him personally, but he has a hot-line to IMG
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| Quote ="PopTart"What history? The guys doing this have never done it before.
There is no 'believing' in this situation. Its new ground.
But if you put all your money into a league position, then personally I think its short sighted.
If we went to 10 teams, Wakefield is just as unlikely. But the infrastructure we are putting in place gives us a better chance.'"
We will have a new stand and pitch but what about the eyesore that is the west stand I have not seen anything regarding this area but I may be wrong, coupled with our recent form over the last three seasons might not help. I hope you are correct because I have little faith that our current incumbents will help improve the squad and we need to revert back to the ground to save us.
If we survive we have another life given to us, I hope they take it to give us the best chance to be in the top 10 and virtually guarantee our place.
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| Quote ="phe13"Don't forget PT, that not only are MC and JM writing to him personally, but he has a hot-line to IMG
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I don’t mind replying to PT but you just piggyback other members posts so just read the answer I give because it would be the same to you.
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| I dont think the 2x10 is a given. That was the plan most liked by the top few clubs so they could get even more money. Now we have IMG running the show i suspect all options will be back. However it wouldnt suprise me if they come up with something totally fifferent that we have never seen before.
Anyone who follows cricket will know about the 100 . Many traditionalists hate it as its so far removed from the original game and all the teams are contrived and they go over the top with match day raz mataz. My money is on something simillar comming from IMG.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I don’t mind replying to PT but you just piggyback other members posts so just read the answer I give because it would be the same to you.'"
I wasn't talking to you anyway, so why would I require a reply from you?
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| I also remember that the last league re-organisation was said to be the last one.
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| Surely it would be top 9 next year, or is there no promotion from the championship next year? So if it is 2 x10 based on league position, it would be top 9 with 1 up and 10, 11 and 12 down.
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| Quote ="burtonsrlfc"Surely it would be top 9 next year, or is there no promotion from the championship next year? So if it is 2 x10 based on league position, it would be top 9 with 1 up and 10, 11 and 12 down.'"
You couldn't relegate 3 teams and bring 1 up!
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| Quote ="dboy"You couldn't relegate 3 teams and bring 1 up!'"
Why?
If promotion is in place next year and it goes to 2 x 10 and it is based on the league table and not a franchise model, then it has to be 3 down.
12 teams + 1 up = 13 - 3 down = 10
Granted, depends on 2 things, promotion from the Championship and it being based on league placings.
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| I’ll tell you straight, IMG won’t use a shred of sentiment in their decision making, history will count for nothing and neither will friendships or relationships!
When given the power to do what’s necessary they will be totally ruthless in the reformation and restructuring of the game and there will be casualties.
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| Quote ="burtonsrlfc"Why?
If promotion is in place next year and it goes to 2 x 10 and it is based on the league table and not a franchise model, then it has to be 3 down.
12 teams + 1 up = 13 - 3 down = 10
Granted, depends on 2 things, promotion from the Championship and it being based on league placings.'"
Don’t rule out mergers!
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| Quote ="burtonsrlfc"Why?
If promotion is in place next year and it goes to 2 x 10 and it is based on the league table and not a franchise model, then it has to be 3 down.
12 teams + 1 up = 13 - 3 down = 10
Granted, depends on 2 things, promotion from the Championship and it being based on league placings.'"
I can't believe you're asking that.
If there's a restructure of the leagues, you can't relegate 25% of the top division.
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| Quote ="dboy"I can't believe you're asking that.
If there's a restructure of the leagues, you can't relegate 25% of the top division.'"
That’s almost exactly what they did in 95/96
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| Quote ="The Avenger"I’ll tell you straight, IMG won’t use a shred of sentiment in their decision making, history will count for nothing and neither will friendships or relationships!
When given the power to do what’s necessary they will be totally ruthless in the reformation and restructuring of the game and there will be casualties.'"
I suspect you may be on the right track. There could be many who regret getting them involved. They will go far beyond tinkering with the league structure
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| Quote ="dboy"I can't believe you're asking that.
If there's a restructure of the leagues, you can't relegate 25% of the top division.'"
They can do what they like, thats their brief. Super League has handed over the keys of the house and left them in charge of the redecorating and what they say goes.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"That’s almost exactly what they did in 95/96'"
What's "almost exactly"?
No, they did not relegate a proportion of the division AND promote a team.
That's the difference.
Can we rebuild to be a top 10 team next year?? (Bearing in mind nothing's been announced yet_
I bloody hope so!
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| Quote ="dboy"What's "almost exactly"?
No, they did not relegate a proportion of the division AND promote a team.
That's the difference.
Can we rebuild to be a top 10 team next year?? (Bearing in mind nothing's been announced yet_
I bloody hope so!'"
Your post said they can’t relegate 25% of the league in a restructure
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| This is well off subject but as we are here.
In reality, if there are 10 places in the top league, Wigan. Sts, Leeds, Warrington are guaranteed no matter what the criteria.
Probably Catalan and Hull too.
So that only leaves, 4 places.
Huddersfield are probably well placed apart from crowds
So we are competing with Hull KR, Cas, Salford, Leigh, Fev, Toulouse for 3 places.
And that's assuming they don't want a new franchise.
So just getting a good league position is not enough.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Your post said they can’t relegate 25% of the league in a restructure'"
OK, I'll help you out by re-phrasing it:
They cannot logically relegate 25% of the division, in a 12 team competition, where the team coming up would be worse than at least 2 of them, and where it would negate the contracts of up to 90 Super League players.
Hope that clarity helps.
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| Quote ="dboy"OK, I'll help you out by re-phrasing it:
They cannot logically relegate 25% of the division, in a 12 team competition, where the team coming up would be worse than at least 2 of them, and where it would negate the contracts of up to 90 Super League players.
Hope that clarity helps.'"
Listen,
The post I responded to, your post, contained nothing about promoting a team, just the naive childlike notion that they can’t do what they want I.E. relegate 25%
Edited don't do that Avenger
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Listen, get over yourself you know nothing fool!
The post I responded to, your post, contained nothing about promoting a team, just the naive childlike notion that they can’t do what they want I.E. relegate 25% of the teams.
Here’s my help for you, If you can’t have a conversation without turning into a keyboard prick then you need to find another pastime.'"
I'm not sure what you found foolish, naĂŻve, or childlike in my very reasonable post, which lacked emotion or "edge", though yes, I get that IMG/RFL/SL can do what they want - I was talking logic.
I also fail to see why think I wasn't engaging in conversation. I certainly don't appreciate being called a prick for calmly voicing an opinion.
I think you need to re-read and have a little sit down. Has it been a long day?
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| Quote ="PopTart"This is well off subject but as we are here.
In reality, if there are 10 places in the top league, Wigan. Sts, Leeds, Warrington are guaranteed no matter what the criteria.
Probably Catalan and Hull too.
So that only leaves, 4 places.
Huddersfield are probably well placed apart from crowds
So we are competing with Hull KR, Cas, Salford, Leigh, Fev, Toulouse for 3 places.
And that's assuming they don't want a new franchise.
So just getting a good league position is not enough.'"
They haven't said this is happening, and certainly haven't given any criteria - but surely it has to be table standings!?
Anything other than than that (and that's divisive enough, when some clubs don't pay their rent, but pay big time Charlies'), would surely rip the game apart, not unite it.
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| Quote ="dboy"They haven't said this is happening, and certainly haven't given any criteria - but surely it has to be table standings!?
Anything other than than that (and that's divisive enough, when some clubs don't pay their rent, but pay big time Charlies'), would surely rip the game apart, not unite it.'"
They could go to franchising. I'd vote for that.
What's the point of employing some expensive expert and then do the thing you've always done.
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| Well off subject (me included) and people getting too stressed
Locked until tomorrow when I can separate
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