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| Quote ="chissitt"Well at least your honest about it Redders
not that I'm against it, good luck to yer it's just that some seem to deny it for some reason.'"
Despite your many previous accusations I did not buy my house from the council.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Despite your many previous accusations I did not buy my house from the council.'"
Scarlett, If you insist you did not buy your house off the council then who am I to argue, admittedly I DID once ask you if you had and you denied it quite forcefully, I have moved on from there may I suggest you do the same, there's nothing illegal or immoral in doing so, and under different circumstances I might have done the same, hth.
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| Quote ="PopTart"DeeHell and Redscat
Please stop throwing words around like Hitler and Nazi.
I give a lot of freedom to discuss on here but ultimately its a rugby forum and that's too far.
Please stop now before I have to do it.'"
I'll certainly comply with your request PT, but you seem to be entering into your "denial" mode again where you seem to be believe things didn't happen. If it's a "rugby forum" why are Johnson and Blair allowed to be discussed?
Hopefully there'll be plenty of good rugby subjects to be dismissed come February.
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| Quote ="Redscat"I'll certainly comply with your request PT, but you seem to be entering into your "denial" mode again where you seem to be believe things didn't happen. If it's a "rugby forum" why are Johnson and Blair allowed to be discussed?
Hopefully there'll be plenty of good rugby subjects to be dismissed come February.'"
As I said I allow a lot of scope for discussion but once it gets to comparing to Hitler and Nazi it's gone too far.
If you were discussing WW2 I'd probably be OK with it but not as a comparison to a poster or public person.
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| Quote ="PopTart"As I said I allow a lot of scope for discussion but once it gets to comparing to Hitler and Nazi it's gone too far.
If you were discussing WW2 I'd probably be OK with it but not as a comparison to a poster or public person.'"
Ooooops!!!
In my previous post, for "dismissed" read "discussed".
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| Quote ="Redscat"
Never in my 73 years have I hated a person (?) more than that vile woman.
I still believe she managed to do something that even Adolph Hitler could not manage to do and that is break the spirit of at least half of the British people and her legacy still hangs around like a bad smell. The current inherent greed within a growing section of this country is just one of her legacies. That is why Johnson, Cameron Duncan-Smith idolised her
My biiggest regret is that I did not attend that mock funeral for her in Goldthorpe..
You disaappoint me, vasty old lad.
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I'm assuming you are referring to this when you say I'm in denial.
Just so you know, my family has a history in the mining industry in this area and about 6 generations ago as tin miners in Cornwall. I went to school in Featherstone when the miners strike was on so I am very aware of what happened.
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| Like how once again BJ has set GP’s up to fail. What a leader.
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| Quote ="PopTart"As I said I allow a lot of scope for discussion but once it gets to comparing to Hitler and Nazi it's gone too far.
If you were discussing WW2 I'd probably be OK with it but not as a comparison to a poster or public person.'"
We have a Government who censors any media criticism of them, bringing laws to criminalise peaceful protests and strip people of their citizenships without warning. I wonder what will come next.
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| There is no credible opposition to the Tories at the moment, Labour are infinitely worse.
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| Quote ="Willzay"We have a Government who censors any media criticism of them, bringing laws to criminalise peaceful protests and strip people of their citizenships without warning. I wonder what will come next.'"
They are a bit rubbish at this censoring malarkey then because the office party and criticism of it has been all over the place. It must have been something akin to roman times if that was censored.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"There is no credible opposition to the Tories at the moment, Labour are infinitely worse.'"
Agreed, its backbench Tories who are against further restrictions
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| Quote ="Wildthing"There is no credible opposition to the Tories at the moment, Labour are infinitely worse.'"
The problem with the labour party is that they are still mixed bag of left and right. Keir Starmer (who in my opinion isn't a strong enough leader) is pretty much to the right of the party but his deputy is as far left as Corbyn was.
The people of modern UK don't want far left politics, something which Blair realised, and for that reason they are still not seen by many as a credible opposition party. Tony Blair was in power for years, but after they were defeated enter Milliband (the wrong Milliband came to lead!) and Corbyn.
IMO if they moved more to the middle they would walk into power, because I think people are sick of the likes of BJ and his obnoxious allies of Reece-Mogg et al and the huge riches being made by the relative few once again.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I'm assuming you are referring to this when you say I'm in denial.
Just so you know, my family has a history in the mining industry in this area and about 6 generations ago as tin miners in Cornwall. I went to school in Featherstone when the miners strike was on so I am very aware of what happened.'"
=#FF0000You're very wrong in your assumption, PT.
I refer to your "denial" in the context that by not mentioning H****r an N***s doesn't mean that they didn't exist.
I too have a very long history of mining in the family of which I'm very proud as I'm sure you are. I think as adults on this forum it is rather demeaning to be told that you can't mention deceased people of history by name whether they were evil or not.[
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| Quote ="1315trinity"The problem with the labour party is that they are still mixed bag of left and right. Keir Starmer (who in my opinion isn't a strong enough leader) is pretty much to the right of the party but his deputy is as far left as Corbyn was.
The people of modern UK don't want far left politics, something which Blair realised, and for that reason they are still not seen by many as a credible opposition party. Tony Blair was in power for years, but after they were defeated enter Milliband (the wrong Milliband came to lead!) and Corbyn.
IMO if they moved more to the middle they would walk into power, because I think people are sick of the likes of BJ and his obnoxious allies of Reece-Mogg et al and the huge riches being made by the relative few once again.'"
Good, well structured post 1315!
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| Quote ="Redscat"Good, well structured post 1315!
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| Quote ="Redscat"=#FF0000You're very wrong in your assumption, PT.
I refer to your "denial" in the context that by not mentioning H****r an N***s doesn't mean that they didn't exist.
I too have a very long history of mining in the family of which I'm very proud as I'm sure you are. I think as adults on this forum it is rather demeaning to be told that you can't mention deceased people of history by name whether they were evil or not.['"
I'm not saying you can't name them. I think I clearly stated you could, and I'd be happy to discuss Hitler in the context of WW2 in an off topic discussion.
However, linking them to either a poster on here you don't agree with or another public figure is inappropriate. Same as if you linked them to any other mass murderer.
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| Quote ="Kirmudgeonlyisback"Problem with labour is they no longer are of or represent the people that they were supposed to represent.
You’ve only to look at the work history of the various leaders
Keir starmer - lawyer barrister mp
Jeremy Corbin , trade union rep , to councillor to mp
Harriet harman - legal officer , to mp
Ed Milliband journalist ? Party researcher for Blair then mp
Pretty much all from relatively priveledged back grounds'"
That stoped in the late seventies till then 70% of m p were working class witch ever party they were from
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| Quote ="alegend"That stoped in the late seventies till then 70% of m p were working class witch ever party they were from'"
Isn't that why they go into politics, to stop being working class.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Isn't that why they go into politics, to stop being working class.'"
Lol that’s true although to be fair some like Dennis skinner never forgot where they’d come from !
Reality is labours selection process is very anti working class heterosexual white male, oops sorry can’t say that as it’s positive discrimination !
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| Quote ="Kirmudgeonlyisback"
Reality is labours selection process is very anti working class heterosexual white male, oops sorry can’t say that as it’s positive discrimination !'"
A gift that keeps on giving. Claudia Webb being a very good example.
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| Quote ="PopTart"I'm not saying you can't name them. I think I clearly stated you could, and I'd be happy to discuss Hitler in the context of WW2 in an off topic discussion.
However, linking them to either a poster on here you don't agree with or another public figure is inappropriate. Same as if you linked them
to any other mass murderer.'"
I didn't link Hitler with another poster, PT, I compared him with Thatcher as a "spirit breaking entity" In the context that she managed to break the British spirit whereas he couldn't.
As for her being a "public figure" I wouldn't give her that credence.
Rant over!!!
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| Quote ="Redscat"
Never in my 73 years have I hated a person (?) more than that vile woman.
I still believe she managed to do something that even Adolph Hitler could not manage to do and that is break the spirit of at least half of the British people and her legacy still hangs around like a bad smell. The current inherent greed within a growing section of this country is just one of her legacies. That is why Johnson, Cameron Duncan-Smith idolised her
My biiggest regret is that I did not attend that mock funeral for her in Goldthorpe..
You disaappoint me, vasty old lad.
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Not as much as you disappoint me, a truly sad and deluded attitude to someone was a basically decent person even if she didn't conform to your ideal, get a grip and don't Vasty lad me.
To compare to Hitler, you insult two-thirds of the nation with that comment, you know the ones who kept voting her in, grow up.
I had thought I might get on with you if we ever met, but you're just a bigot with a moral superiority complex of the worst kind,
Thatcher saved Britain after you lot destroyed it, but you never take the blame do you and I know because I was there.
Come back in two years when you lose another election and ask me why, I'll bookmark this post by way of explanation. Do you really think most decent British people think like that? They don't and they never will.
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| I am Labour but pity Thacher is not here now with here government ,than what we got now
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| Quote ="alegend"I am Labour but pity Thacher is not here now with here government ,than what we got now'"
Your not really a labour supporter then.
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| Think this ones gone far enough.
I'll keep discussion going if I can but the comments have got personal and is just not going to end well.
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