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| Quote ="The Avenger"We should have advertised the coaching position to see who wanted the job for a start!
Maybe we should have kept the coach who had a winning ratio of around 46%
If we’d got a better more experienced coach we might have made more informed decisions on signings and not ended up with a number of players who were unsuitable for the task.
Maybe we could have brought in a coach who already had relationships with players & agents who might have attracted higher quality players.
Maybe we’d have got a coach who player agents knew they couldn’t have his pants down in terms of players offered and the salaries they demand
Maybe we could have got a coach who other clubs were happy to send loan players to because they recognised his quality would benefit their players
See there’s a theme forming here, it stems from the ridiculous decision to sack Willie Poching then appoint an unproven, naive, not ready, limited, uninspiring cheap option to coach what became the worst Superleague team ever!'"
Maybe we could have played like we did last night just a little more often , then we wouldn’t be having this conversation
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| Quote ="The Avenger"........
See there’s a theme forming here, it stems from the ridiculous decision to sack Willie Poching then appoint an unproven, naive, not ready, limited, uninspiring cheap option to coach what became the worst Superleague team ever!'"
Plenty on here wanted to get rid of Poching too.
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Maybe we could have played like we did last night just a little more often , then we wouldn’t be having this conversation
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Well getting them to do that is the Head Coach job!
But let’s not get carried away with last nights performance, Leigh we’re poor by their standards and we still shot ourselves in the foot with unforced errors, poor decision making and stupid penalties while Proctor played for about 11 minutes and gained around 11 metres carrying the ball.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Plenty on here wanted to get rid of Poching too.'"
that worked out well didn’t it!
What about all the other points in my answer, you asked a question, I answered in detail, do you have a detailed view
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| Quote ="The Avenger"that worked out well didn’t it!
What about all the other points in my answer, you asked a question, I answered in detail, do you have a detailed view'"
I haven't got a detailed answer to the rest. I agree with it all.
Though we'll unfortunately never know.
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| Why is it quoted in the press that we will be handicapped with IMG unless we finish top due to a cap on the championship clubs.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Why is it quoted in the press that we will be handicapped with IMG unless we finish top due to a cap on the championship clubs.'"
Unless you show the quote I can't say, but we are no more handicapped than anyone else. Finishing top gives you more points than finishing lower, by 0.11 per position but also 0.25 for GF and 0.1 for 1895 gives you a boost that others don't have.
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| It’s on Wakefield Trinity news under an article by Serious about rugby league.
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| The incumbents obviously believe the current strategy is working because their plan is to once again go with an even smaller squad which they hope to pad out with short term players both on loan and through dual registration. I guess we are dropping the reserves because we clearly do not have a big enough squad and you can’t expect the academy to fill in.
I hope some of the worshippers of the incumbents can explain the logic to this decision and why they believe it will work. I bet no one at the club realised just how much funding we would lose with relegation because if we had then I guess it may have been possible for even two accountants to spend more on the squad to try to eliminate or reduce this possibility. I guess the phrase “speculate to accumulate” is an anathema to an accountant.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The incumbents obviously believe the current strategy is working because their plan is to once again go with an even smaller squad which they hope to pad out with short term players both on loan and through dual registration. I guess we are dropping the reserves because we clearly do not have a big enough squad and you can’t expect the academy to fill in.
I hope some of the worshippers of the incumbents can explain the logic to this decision and why they believe it will work. I bet no one at the club realised just how much funding we would lose with relegation because if we had then I guess it may have been possible for even two accountants to spend more on the squad to try to eliminate or reduce this possibility. I guess the phrase “speculate to accumulate” is an anathema to an accountant.'"
What would you do to speculate to accumulate then in the current circumstances you posed the analogy what would you do? Not a dig just interested.
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| It was obvious our squad was at best rubbish because it was within the restraints placed by the incumbents. I guess they could have tried to resign some of the players coming off contract rather than allowing them to leave. I know we brought some in but only after they got extra funding from a third party when it was a little too late.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"It’s on Wakefield Trinity news under an article by Serious about rugby league.'"
That’s not the press, it a joke click bait side.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The incumbents obviously believe the current strategy is working because their plan is to once again go with an even smaller squad which they hope to pad out with short term players both on loan and through dual registration. I guess we are dropping the reserves because we clearly do not have a big enough squad and you can’t expect the academy to fill in.
I hope some of the worshippers of the incumbents can explain the logic to this decision and why they believe it will work. I bet no one at the club realised just how much funding we would lose with relegation because if we had then I guess it may have been possible for even two accountants to spend more on the squad to try to eliminate or reduce this possibility. I guess the phrase “speculate to accumulate” is an anathema to an accountant.'"
But haven't you said a million times that we have less money now we are in Championship? Doesn't that answer your question?
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| Yes I knew it but sadly the incumbents didn’t or why would they do nothing after a start like ours. The sad thing is we actually nearly made it despite them and their inaction. If you believe they have done all they could to avoid relegation that is your opinion but not mine.
I hope our director of rugby takes the chairman and his obedient coach with him before they are allowed to completely destroy the club.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Yes I knew it but sadly the incumbents didn’t or why would they do nothing after a start like ours. The sad thing is we actually nearly made it despite them and their inaction. If you believe they have done all they could to avoid relegation that is your opinion but not mine.
I hope our director of rugby takes the chairman and his obedient coach with him before they are allowed to completely destroy the club.'"
What is it that you think they could have done, after the start we had, that they didn't do?
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| Quote ="PopTart"What is it that you think they could have done, after the start we had, that they didn't do?'"
Sack the coach early on and bring in someone with experience of managing an actual first team, preferably someone with experience of scrapping it out in a relegation battle who is able to turn close losses into wins, and stop the blowout losses.
They didn't do that, and the inevitable happened
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| Quote ="PopTart"What is it that you think they could have done, after the start we had, that they didn't do?'"
Replace a failing coach or don’t appoint him in the first place without actually seeing who might want the job. I guess if you just want someone who will go with our squad without question. Don’t appoint yourself as the director of rugby and take over recruitment when you have no idea what you are doing and an ability to rub people up the wrong way.
Sadly he with his cohort decided to do nothing, why because he was leaving and clearly had lost interest when you look at his rare appearances.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Replace a failing coach or don’t appoint him in the first place without actually seeing who might want the job. I guess if you just want someone who will go with our squad without question. Don’t appoint yourself as the director of rugby and take over recruitment when you have no idea what you are doing and an ability to rub people up the wrong way.
Sadly he with his cohort decided to do nothing, why because he was leaving and clearly had lost interest when you look at his rare appearances.'"
So you've just said they did nothing after the start of the season, I've asked you to explain and you go back to things they should have known before the start of the season.
They didn't do nothing, they signed a boat load of players and an assistant and got the guy looking to take over to give us some money before he took over. It didn't ultimately work, but they didn't do nothing.
I'm trying really hard to have an intelligent conversation but you are making it very difficult.
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| Quote ="PopTart"What is it that you think they could have done, after the start we had, that they didn't do?'"
I don’t know how many times some of us called for a change in coach after round 8.
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| But Willzay, he's already said we didn't have the money......though clearly it might have been an option,but when we already had too many injuries I'm not sure how they'd pay for it.
We needed Ellis boost money to do the things we wanted to do which was much later....and then we started winning.
Ultimately, right or wrong Carter explained they thought it was the injuries and small squad causing the problem and not Mash.....which I guess but don't know....is why they didn't replace him.
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| Everything must relate to the past but after the start the obvious thing to do was replace the coach. Appoint a proper director of rugby to undertake a full review before it was too late. He did neither so you have got what you deserve by believing in them. They need supporters like you to roll over and have him give you some belly tickles unfortunately we will find out which one of us represent the majority especially if the coach stays and we follow through with the planned strategy.
I presume we will have the usual overpriced shirt, the question is which club will we be copying this time. If he has set the season ticket prices in advance don’t expect any favours because we are just considered cash cows and we will be required to cover some of the lost central funding resulting from this disastrous season they oversaw.
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| So it's my fault? Good to know. I'll try and do better next season.
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| Quote ="PopTart"So it's my fault? Good to know. I'll try and do better next season.'"
The fault lies 100% with Carter Minards and Applegarth, but having fans who pander and defend every obvious error has helped to inflate the egos of the three who have got us relegated.
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| Quote ="PopTart"So it's my fault? Good to know. I'll try and do better next season.'"
It’s not your fault entirely but those like you who have accepted that the incumbents because one of them saved the club from his boss ten seasons ago, are allowed to do what they like to the squad without question. I think they should all be ashamed for what we have endured over the last few seasons and if they had a shred of decency they would leave and hand the club to someone with the resources they like to remind us constantly that they don’t.
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| We are just going round in circles.
I've explained my point on all these things as have others and you just ignore it and go back to the beginning.
I tried. I'm giving up now.
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