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| Quote ="Kettykat"The very reason why BLM left this site alone is the constant berating of his son . I like Both Kershaw and Jordy and was hoping when MC alluded to offering a core set of players financial stability going forwards in the form of a duel contract that these two along with max would be the first names on the sheet to both stabilise and move forwards as a club'"
Was his dad only here for the gushing praise then, was it OK for people to comment on Jordy if it was positive but not if they were less than?
His sons a grown man and a professional sportsman, if he couldn't hack the criticism then it’s best that he left isn’t it.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Was his dad only here for the gushing praise then, was it OK for people to comment on Jordy if it was positive but not if they were less than?
His sons a grown man and a professional sportsman, if he couldn't hack the criticism then it’s best that he left isn’t it.'"
Bizarrely not okay for the other one who has suddenly reappeared when I was critical of his 'world class' played a dozen games for 50 clubs. You always speak highly of young players, generally that play for Huddersfield on both this and the other forum, yet don't see what JC offers this club. Effort and attitude alone, puts him in the top 3 currently here. And before that other moron turns up SP. Yes we know, at the moment that isn't difficult, blah blah.
Top and bottom of it is, players like JC is who we build this club around, if the board haven't even made an offer, then they deserve everything thrown at them!
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Was his dad only here for the gushing praise then, was it OK for people to comment on Jordy if it was positive but not if they were less than?
His sons a grown man and a professional sportsman, if he couldn't hack the criticism then it’s best that he left isn’t it.'"
No , but he wasn’t on here to listen to his son get all the abuse he got either . Have worked with BLM down the pit and he’s no shrinking violet believe me , but personal abuse hiding behind a false name is really big and tough . I’m sure BLM I is his sons biggest critic , but you have to draw the line when it gets personal . Just like the abuse proctor is getting From a small minority of the crowd who constantly shout profanity at him when stood behind the sticks . , it’s not acceptable in the work place so why should it be anywhere else.
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| Quote ="Kettykat"No , but he wasn’t on here to listen to his son get all the abuse he got either . Have worked with BLM down the pit and he’s no shrinking violet believe me , but personal abuse hiding behind a false name is really big and tough . I’m sure BLM I is his sons biggest critic , but you have to draw the line when it gets personal . Just like the abuse proctor is getting From a small minority of the crowd who constantly shout profanity at him when stood behind the sticks . , it’s not acceptable in the work place so why should it be anywhere else.'"
Just makes the point that thsse are real people.
Why people feel the need to criticise people the way they do is beyond me.
You would never do it in real life, why people think it's OK on the Internet is simply because they think anonymity gives them some protection......but to me, its nothing more than cowardly.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Just makes the point that thsse are real people.
Why people feel the need to criticise people the way they do is beyond me.
You would never do it in real life, why people think it's OK on the Internet is simply because they think anonymity gives them some protection......but to me, its nothing more than cowardly.'"
While I agree I must say I haven’t seen any abuse on here aimed at Crowther. Certainly not for his attitude and effort.
More the criticism has been of his game/ability as a player. Obviously if there’s been any personal abuse I may not have seen it and that’s wrong.
If I was a parent of a player I honestly don’t think I would be on a forum or want to read any social media that relates.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Was his dad only here for the gushing praise then, was it OK for people to comment on Jordy if it was positive but not if they were less than?
His sons a grown man and a professional sportsman, if he couldn't hack the criticism then it’s best that he left isn’t it.'"
What an awful post, just no need.
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| Thats not really called for avenger. I personally stay clear of criticism of players, they pull the shirt on, put their bodies on the line and have reached a level that I could only dream of during my youth playing days.
I know it's shooting season at the moment but he remains blm son and for me gave his all on the field.
However criticism aimed at non active chairmen and ceos is fine in my book,
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| Oh Lampy
You got so close to being a normal human being then blew it.
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| Thank god for that PT
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| Quote ="burtonsrlfc"Bizarrely not okay for the other one who has suddenly reappeared when I was critical of his 'world class' played a dozen games for 50 clubs. You always speak highly of young players, generally that play for Huddersfield on both this and the other forum, yet don't see what JC offers this club. Effort and attitude alone, puts him in the top 3 currently here. And before that other moron turns up SP. Yes we know, at the moment that isn't difficult, blah blah.
Top and bottom of it is, players like JC is who we build this club around, if the board haven't even made an offer, then they deserve everything thrown at them!'"
I’ve never spoken harshly about Jordan, I’ve justifiably criticised certain incidences when the evidence has been clear to see but it’s never been personal or out of order. I’ll take an average player who puts his heart and soul into a game over a talented player who can’t be d everytime
My point is that all players have families and they’ve always had to sit in a stand with someone being overly critical and accept that it’s part and parcel of it all, good and bad. You can’t just lap up the compliments and take your bat and ball home when you hear something critical.
Quote ="Kettykat"No , but he wasn’t on here to listen to his son get all the abuse he got either . Have worked with BLM down the pit and he’s no shrinking violet believe me , but personal abuse hiding behind a false name is really big and tough . I’m sure BLM I is his sons biggest critic , but you have to draw the line when it gets personal . Just like the abuse proctor is getting From a small minority of the crowd who constantly shout profanity at him when stood behind the sticks . , it’s not acceptable in the work place so why should it be anywhere else.'"
That kind of abuse, well, ‘‘twas ever thus!
I haven’t ever heard or read any comments that are in that category but that isn’t to say they haven’t happened!
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"What an awful post, just no need.'"
Not at all, just realistic, read my reply above!
If you think that my first comment is awful then you better steel yourself because the worlds a nasty place and social media is even worse.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Not at all, just realistic, read my reply above!
If you think that my first comment is awful then you better steel yourself because the worlds a nasty place and social media is even worse.'"
And you are contributing to it.
There is nothing wrong with criticising a players performance, but it's nearly always pushed too far.
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| Quote ="lampyboy"Thats not really called for avenger. I personally stay clear of criticism of players, they pull the shirt on, put their bodies on the line and have reached a level that I could only dream of during my youth playing days.
I know it's shooting season at the moment but he remains blm son and for me gave his all on the field.
However criticism aimed at non active chairmen and ceos is fine in my book,'"
And another, my post was about family and friends of players understanding that players, even great players, get both praise and criticism. You can’t lap up the former and then whinge about the latter.
My post wasn’t a comment on Jordy
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| Quote ="PopTart"And you are contributing to it.
There is nothing wrong with criticising a players performance, but it's nearly always pushed too far.'"
Contributing to it, how exactly?
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Contributing to it, how exactly?'"
By validating that it's OK to abuse people because it's a player and that's the way the world is.
I'm not saying you are abusing anyone
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Not at all, just realistic, read my reply above!
If you think that my first comment is awful then you better steel yourself because the worlds a nasty place and social media is even worse.'"
It was not the sort of post I would have expected from you, if your not having a go why post it on this thread.
I am big boy now and well aware of the "nasty world" we live in, as if that validates your comments.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Was his dad only here for the gushing praise then, was it OK for people to comment on Jordy if it was positive but not if they were less than?
His sons a grown man and a professional sportsman, if he couldn't hack the criticism then it’s best that he left isn’t it.'"
Think you'll find - in all honesty - that Jordy was getting stick nearly all the time for performing and doing his best compared to some of the others in the team and actually taking pride in wearing the RW&B.
Think your post is extremely harsh and narrow minded.
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| Always got on ok with BLM, on here and face to face.
Although he's not the best 13 in the world, and there are some out there that have a creative spark to their game, I'll be disappointed if he does go. He's a lad who always gives 100%, and that will be two like that, we have lost in 12 months, yet we have some players, who at times, look like they couldn't care less.
It's players like him that we should be keeping.
Hopefully, a fresh pair of eyes will see things differently, in terms of player recruitment and retention.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Always got on ok with BLM, on here and face to face.
Although he's not the best 13 in the world, and there are some out there that have a creative spark to their game, I'll be disappointed if he does go. He's a lad who always gives 100%, and that will be two like that, we have lost in 12 months, yet we have some players, who at times, look like they couldn't care less.
It's players like him that we should be keeping.
Hopefully, a fresh pair of eyes will see things differently, in terms of player recruitment and retention.'"
Take it you mean with last line ,a new coach.Hope you are right .This Dads army squad is a disgrace .Get some speed and youth in the team big time
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| I'm sure players expect criticism if they haven't played well and this site is one of those where supporters can air their views about players and express criticism.
Problem is, as with FB and other social media sites, some gutless, cowardly keyboard warriors go one step further hiding behind their anonymous status and remarks do get personal, from contributors who probably wouldn't dare say it face to face.
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| Quote ="alegend"Take it you mean with last line ,a new coach.Hope you are right .This Dads army squad is a disgrace .Get some speed and youth in the team big time'"
Can live in hope, but I can think of more than one person.
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| Jordan is a great lad and totally committed when he plays and always was as a junior. A squad of 13 JCs would now have some points on the table. Shedding Batch, Aydin, Hall and Murphy ( plus Miller, Fifita, Arona, Toupou, Johnstone) is a hard pill to swallow. Ripping the guts from the team has ripped the guts from fans.
Heart and commitment often improve a player’s contribution and fan’s perception and enjoyment. Watching a team give 100% is all we can ask. If ever there was a moment to trash your legacy, this is it. This is a mess to put it mildly.
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| Quote ="Manuel"Jordan is a great lad and totally committed when he plays and always was as a junior. A squad of 13 JCs would now have some points on the table. Shedding Batch, Aydin, Hall and Murphy ( plus Miller, Fifita, Arona, Toupou, Johnstone) is a hard pill to swallow. Ripping the guts from the team has ripped the guts from fans.
Heart and commitment often improve a player’s contribution and fan’s perception and enjoyment. Watching a team give 100% is all we can ask. If ever there was a moment to trash your legacy, this is it. This is a mess to put it mildly.'"
Absolutely and even with those players, we finished 10th, something we wont manage this season.
Our aspirations now are not to be nilled and to hope that another club goes bust.
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| Quote ="Manuel"Jordan is a great lad and totally committed when he plays and always was as a junior. A squad of 13 JCs would now have some points on the table. Shedding Batch, Aydin, Hall and Murphy ( plus Miller, Fifita, Arona, Toupou, Johnstone) is a hard pill to swallow. Ripping the guts from the team has ripped the guts from fans.
Heart and commitment often improve a player’s contribution and fan’s perception and enjoyment. Watching a team give 100% is all we can ask. If ever there was a moment to trash your legacy, this is it. This is a mess to put it mildly.'"
Why try and rewrite what happened?
The only one you could possibly say we 'shed' is Hall.
Fifita, Arona and Tupou retired.
Johnson and Murphy went to bigger clubs for bigger offers.
Batch wanted to go to further his career. He'd already made that clear the year before by only accepting a 1 year contract. Ayden followed him on agent advice.
Possibly, we could have retained Miller but I didn't see that many arguing at the time.
And I absolutely love Crowther's commitment and energy on the field but to say 13 of him would have points shows you are just writing words for the sake of it. He has no real attack so we'd have no points unless we drew them all 0-0.
If you'd said the current team having his heart....then I might agree.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Why try and rewrite what happened?
The only one you could possibly say we 'shed' is Hall.
Fifita, Arona and Tupou retired.
Johnson and Murphy went to bigger clubs for bigger offers.
Batch wanted to go to further his career. He'd already made that clear the year before by only accepting a 1 year contract. Ayden followed him on agent advice.
Possibly, we could have retained Miller but I didn't see that many arguing at the time.
And I absolutely love Crowther's commitment and energy on the field but to say 13 of him would have points shows you are just writing words for the sake of it. He has no real attack so we'd have no points unless we drew them all 0-0.
If you'd said the current team having his heart....then I might agree.'"
You're missing the point re. those players who have left, and all the others' over the last 4 years, players leave clubs obviously for differing reasons. The point is, who we have replaced them with. Since 2019 we have signed roughly 35 to 40 new players, without loanees. I reckon we've had about 10 if we are lucky who have actually been decent. MC misses the point when he says, i'm not gonna spend money we don't have, I agree, I don't want us to bankrupt ourselves. The point is, the money we have spent has generally been wasted, we had no money in 2017 & '18, but spent wisely on players like Grix, England, Finn, BJB etc.
As re. Crowther, I echo a lot that's been said, he's whole hearted and committed, but he's nearly been playing for 10 years, and I don't think he's progressed, his game hasn't developed, but in his defence, he probably hasn't played week in week out enough, and he hasn't had great coaching......
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