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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Which bit is wrong are we paying him or not and what would be a bigger benefit to the business for example using the money to resign Hampshire or for Chester to sits at home. I am not an expert on employment law but I would question how valid it is for us to honour a verbal contract. It is one of MC’s standard statements that nothing is certain until the contract is signed.'"
Because the exact quote was that he would ‘honour the terms of the contract’. However lazy journalists didn’t report that. I take that to say that an appropriate notice period would be paid, and whilst CC still had at least 2 months to run on his existing contract, any expense over and above that would be minimal.
Still, doesn’t fit your rhetoric does it?
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| You really are a bunch of sycophants, just accept it is an unnecessary drain on already reduced income. I wonder how many of you would be on here if we had done the same for Webster for example.
We are constantly being reminded of our much reduced revenue only to then waste more on a questionable payment. I would accept severance because that would only cover the period up to the end of his signed contract not for another 12 months.
I note that Jose this is your view which is similarly based on no hard facts when it could be read to mean his as yet unsigned contract but that doesn’t fit your rhetoric does it.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"icon_surprised.gifops: You really are a bunch of sycophants, just accept it is an unnecessary drain on already reduced income. I wonder how many of you would be on here if we had done the same for Webster for example.
We are constantly being reminded of our much reduced revenue only to then waste more on a questionable payment. I would accept severance because that would only cover the period up to the end of his signed contract not for another 12 months.
I note that Jose this is your view which is similarly based on no hard facts when it could be read to mean his as yet unsigned contract but that doesn’t fit your rhetoric does it.'"
Everybody has been trying to gently tell you you are wrong and just leave it alone.
As you have said, you don't know the terms agreed, or how much it was, or where the money came from.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"icon_surprised.gifops: You really are a bunch of sycophants, just accept it is an unnecessary drain on already reduced income. I wonder how many of you would be on here if we had done the same for Webster for example.
We are constantly being reminded of our much reduced revenue only to then waste more on a questionable payment. I would accept severance because that would only cover the period up to the end of his signed contract not for another 12 months.
I note that Jose this is your view which is similarly based on no hard facts when it could be read to mean his as yet unsigned contract but that doesn’t fit your rhetoric does it.'"
Yep, I’m miles off
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"When he announced his departure I don’t remember him saying I will and do you actually believe anyone would fund it from their own pocket I don’t know the actual details but I do know that he is being paid and I would rather that money being used to strengthen the squad.'"
Again completely wrong. CC is no longer ‘being paid’
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| Quote ="Jose"Again completely wrong. CC is no longer ‘being paid’'"
I suppose he’s not still driving around in his company car either then?
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| There are no company cars. They are provided by a 3rd party and the club have no involvement in them
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| Quote ="Jose"There are no company cars. They are provided by a 3rd party and the club have no involvement in them'"
Semantics Michael, semantics.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Semantics Michael, semantics.'"
Or just fact?
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| Not really, because no cost lands with the Club???
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| Quote ="vastman"Or just fact?'"
Or just maybe for once Scarlett is right on this one.
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| Course he is
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Or just maybe for once Scarlett is right on this one.'"
And you know how?
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| Quote ="vastman"And you know how?'"
Inside track on this one mate. I could tell you how much of a pay off he got from Hull KR as well if i wanted to but i'm i'm not. The exact terms of who and how i don't claim to know, maybe MC is paying him out of his own pocket to cut his lawn for him, but lets just say Chris isn't out of pocket and has a 'club' car (however it is packaged) for twleve months to carry the lawn mower in. And good on everyone in keeping it amicable. Time to let it lie and move on, which is what i'm doing on this subject. (and every other one to be honest).
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Inside track on this one mate. I could tell you how much of a pay off he got from Hull KR as well if i wanted to but i'm i'm not. The exact terms of who and how i don't claim to know, maybe MC is paying him out of his own pocket to cut his lawn for him, but lets just say Chris isn't out of pocket and has a 'club' car (however it is packaged) for twleve months to carry the lawn mower in. And good on everyone in keeping it amicable. Time to let it lie and move on, which is what i'm doing on this subject. (and every other one to be honest).'"
I’ll wager that car is not with CC in 12 months?
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| If we were talking about a members club then I can understand’members’ concern in the clubs financial dealings; it isn’t a members club however, and financial dealings with staff past or present have nothing to do with anyone other than those financing or managing the finance of the dealings.
Just let those who know better than us do their bit and we’ll all look forward to a new coach, ground improvement and hopefully a better season next year!
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| Quote ="Jose"I’ll wager that car is not with CC in 12 months?'"
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Or just maybe for once Scarlett is right on this one.'"
About what exactly?
The car is given by a 3rd party. No cost to the club
The coaches salary does not impact the salary cap, so does not affect the clubs ability to add players
The sum paid to Chester was not paid out of the income that goes to pay player wages so does not affect the clubs ability to pay players.
Seems to me it is simply a case of someone with an axe to grind trying to find something to moan about
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| Quote '" Quote ="Sacred Cow"Inside track on this one mate. I could tell you how much of a pay off he got from Hull KR as well if i wanted to but i'm i'm not. The exact terms of who and how i don't claim to know, maybe MC is paying him out of his own pocket to cut his lawn for him, but lets just say Chris isn't out of pocket and has a 'club' car (however it is packaged) for twleve months to carry the lawn mower in. And good on everyone in keeping it amicable. Time to let it lie and move on, which is what i'm doing on this subject. (and every other one to be honest).'"
So you have the inside track but you don't claim to know the details. Which is it?
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| Quote ="AMI"Agree. Think we need two props one hopefully being Andrew Fifita and hopefully a young up and coming'"
I doubt that will happen, he has still got all on to play again after what was a pretty horrific injury. He’s put some stuff in his instagram in recent days showing how he is starting his rehab for next year but he is way off yet. Would be a major risk for us to take him on, i’d guess he’ll see out his last year at Cronulla whilst hopefully getting back on the field at some point next season in reserve grade with Newtown.
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| Quote ="Jose"I’ll wager that car is not with CC in 12 months?'"
Indeed. Clutch is knackered from all those doughnuts in the car park.
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| Quote ="PopTart"About what exactly?
The car is given by a 3rd party. No cost to the club
The coaches salary does not impact the salary cap, so does not affect the clubs ability to add players
The sum paid to Chester was not paid out of the income that goes to pay player wages so does not affect the clubs ability to pay players.
Seems to me it is simply a case of someone with an axe to grind trying to find something to moan about'"
He might have an axe to grind i don’t know or care. But the club only has a finite amount of money and some of that cash is now paying for two coaches for next year. Now maybe MC is paying him personally rather than the club, and maybe is was a lump sum rather than monthly, that is the nitty gritty i don’t know, i didn’t ask. But maybe Scarlett thinks that he could have invested that money elsewhere in the club if he wanted to spend it. You’d have to ask him that. Not sure why you mention the cap though given we don’t run a ‘cap’ because we are nowhere near it, we run a ‘budget’. So less money equals less budget which i guess is his point here.
Anyway as i said i’m done on the subject and as i mentioned when Homme Vaste departed also with this forum and RL in general now this season is over. I wish you all and the club well and the very best of luck. And fingers crossed the stadium build overcomes it’s remaining hurdles.
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| Quote ="1315trinity"If we were talking about a members club then I can understand’members’ concern in the clubs financial dealings; it isn’t a members club however, and financial dealings with staff past or present have nothing to do with anyone other than those financing or managing the finance of the dealings.
Just let those who know better than us do their bit and we’ll all look forward to a new coach, ground improvement and hopefully a better season next year!'"
Spot on, it’s not a members club nor have shares ever been sold to the public as far as I’m aware.
The clubs history and heritage belongs to the fans and the people of Wakefield that will never change.
The business belongs to Michael Carter and whoever else is a director of what is a limited company.
Fans have no real right to know what’s going on. However it would be a stupid club that didn’t give as much info as is possible. I think the club gets the balance about right.
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| Quote ="vastman"Spot on, it’s not a members club nor have shares ever been sold to the public as far as I’m aware.
I remember my dad bought some shares back in the day. Share certificate printed on a dodgy bubble jet printer. Pre Ted but not much before.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"[uInside track on this one mate. I could tell you how much of a pay off he got from Hull KR as well if i wanted to but i'm i'm not.[/u The exact terms of who and how i don't claim to know, maybe MC is paying him out of his own pocket to cut his lawn for him, but lets just say Chris isn't out of pocket and has a 'club' car (however it is packaged) for twleve months to carry the lawn mower in. And good on everyone in keeping it amicable. Time to let it lie and move on, which is what i'm doing on this subject. (and every other one to be honest).'"
Well why bring it up then, and more importantly what has it got to do with Wakefield trinity anyway, your posts are normally worth reading but in this case a pointless post in a pointless thread about a private agreement between an employer and an ex employee, as you say time to let it lie and move on.
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